The hell? Is there ANY defense against Shock Combo?

[legacy-NecrisFlood]

yeah...I guess it's finally my turn to complain and whine about something. I guess it's balanced off by the fact that it's more difficult to use *effectively* as compared to the rest of the weapons...but I'm really not seeing a way around that. If they explode the "cores" over and over...that's just it...you die. You can't risk trying to reject the "core" or they'll blow it up in your face...and the primary shot seems instantaneous. You can't "block" the hit either, apparently. The only hope seems to be running away...and what does that accomplish, really, but keep you alive for *maybe* 3 extra seconds?

*sidenote---it seems EVERYONE can reject EVERYTHING 100% now...so is there even a damn point to the rocket launcher anymore...considering even a blind 3 year old with Down Syndrome can see that bullcrap coming several years before it hits? I go for splash, and they STILL get a good rejection off it somehow. There's just no way...I'll go back to my original baby...the Flak. Discuss.

[legacy-ShakaM]

I still can't reject good.

But I have been monkin' around with the shcok rifle, and when I blow up cores I can't really see what is coming, so that is blind spot to a shock user.

SO you can use that with the bio-rifle and get an easy kill. (bio-rifle is my favorite weapon)

[legacy-MentalBreakDown]

The problem I have(with shock and the EMP rockets) is that I can't proporly tell where it is in relation to my enemy, I always blow it too early :(

[legacy-Acid_2_140bpm]

I've found out the only way to counter someone with the shock rifle. While they try to do shock combos, it's good to activate speed adrenaline for either getting farther away from him or getting so close up in his face which forces them to stop with the shock combos. Obviously while shooting them with something effective. (ie. If you're getting farther away and you want to hurt them from that distance, use the sniper rifle. For close up, either the explosive weapons & Stinger or Bio.) The point is I've found that speed helps you get away most of the time from a shock combo.

[legacy-xWARPIGx]

Here's the deal. You gotta get close when someone pulls out the shock. I find that it's worth it to try and reject if you are already close. Just reject twice real fast, and you can sometimes make them electrocute themselve or you may reject the shock primary which is a really devastating rejection. After rejecting, be quick to jump attack(jump+r). Once you get close, they have to switch weapons, which leave them vulnerable for a sec. I usually pull out my flak immediately after getting close. If you can get a flak in while they are vunerable, especially after rejecting, you can get a kill.

If they are to far away, I usually snipe while dodging the shock cores. Alot of people will pull out their melee once I start sniping to try and reject me.

Some good shock users are really hard to reject and dodge, but then again, that's true with everything in this game.

[legacy-Acid_2_140bpm]

[face_laugh] lol....great minds think alike.

[legacy-Netsurfer733]

Yea shock is arguably the hardest gun to defend against if its used by a good player, so just try to be ready with a nimble/speed whenever possible, or just keep your feet on the ground so you can get the hell out of its way! :D

[legacy-onenation]

I have to agree with warpig. The way to get around it is up close and personal.

[legacy--Riddled-]

Well, there's a few ways...

. Turn on speed, and run at them with your shield up.
. Use a Skaarj and blade shield.
. Iron spirit, increases your defence by 50%.
. Use your shock rifle, try to blow up their cores in their face.

Try some of them.

[legacy-xWARPIGx]

I'm not sure how using a Skaarj blade sheild would work. Blade sheild is supposed to only reduce damage from explosive weapons. Or is there another glitch I don't know about?

[legacy-Netsurfer733]

I have to agree with warpig. The way to get around it is up close and personal.

Not if you use the shock like I do...the best retreat weapon in the game :) (i.e. itll annihilate anyone who wants to chase u very easily :D )

[legacy-Acid_Rain]

Like you guys said, all you have to do is get up close to them, that happens to me a lot, but since i love the shock and killing melee whores, i always have the grenade launcher (flak works too, but you can finish the person off with your explosive weapon if they get too close, or if you're anubis/judas, do vampire cloud/energy burst when they try to get in close, that's why there's a counter for everything

[legacy-Junior]

get off the defensive and get on the offensive. Thats the best way. Get in their face and put pressure on them.

[legacy-Typhon]

What i do is put on speed and throw on my shield, then block the shock combos as they come to me then pull out either my sniper/ripjack for a HS or my rockets to spam single fire. To block shock combos, put up your shield and throw yourself into the shock ball before it explodes, same with EMP on explosive weapons.

[legacy-Gangsta]

put your shield up and make sure its facing the actual combo so it takes the most damage

[legacy-Ez_Jamin]

No its UNSTOPABLE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

[legacy-Pegeta]

All I do is use speed and the walls to my advantage when up against a combo user.

[legacy-x_djs_x]

I say there is no counter for it at all, besides running. Up close works great, but when you're a light and trying to get close they will already have you killed. A good SR user is pretty much impossible to survive against, unless you are one too. Thats my opinion. And what the hell would blade shield do?

[legacy-K7_Leetha]

You can reject the core or "ball" secondary fire pretty easily, it doesn't do much damage but if you manage to make them shoot it with the primary on the way back you can get them to suicide.

You can also reflect the primary fire, its similar to the sniper, you have to hit your trigger at the same time they hit theirs.

[legacy-xWARPIGx]

x djs x, you are definately wrong on that one. That's like saying the shock rifle is the best weapon. But I guess if you would play more survival, you'd know it's not impossible to counter, even as a light.

[legacy-TrapDoor88]

I really hope that they come out with the character with energy shield. Many adrenaline weapons counter explosives, there should be at least one geared specifically against energy weapons.

[legacy-CastleKingSide]

Hey,

What the hell?!?! Speed and reject with melee.

People are posting up my strat against the shock combo without giving credit where it's due.

I retire Shock Rifle users....when I have adrenaline, ofcourse.

[legacy-Callisto_Xii]

If I see someone using shock I pull my shock rifle out and try to blow up the core in their face....lol

[legacy-x_djs_x]

x djs x, you are definately wrong on that one. That's like saying the shock rifle is the best weapon. But I guess if you would play more survival, you'd know it's not impossible to counter, even as a light.

why do you assume I dont ever play Survival? Ive only played against you like four times. I guess you have never played against a VERY good shock user. What are you're tips? And by impossible, I dont mean you have zero chance, I mean you're going to get crushed 9 times out of 10.

[legacy-Zionix]

DJS whats your gamertag?

[legacy-xWARPIGx]

I'm not saying you never play survival, I just saying you need to play more if you are getting owned by the shock rifle. I have played a few really good shock users. Tragic is great with it, but I don't remember if he's ever really killed me with it. Quagmir3 has some shock skills too. There may be some better shock users out there, but if they don't play in the unreal servers, then their skills don't impress me much.

The stinger or the bio rifle in the hands of a skilled user are much greater threats for a 1v1 anyday.

[legacy-x_djs_x]

I see the SR as much more or a threat, bio rifle is avoidable. If you're a Skaarj thats even a huge plus. Stinger, maybe, but its so boring to use lol. I dont know who, but I know Ive encountered some really good SR users. Its the fact that, there really isnt much to do when a bunch of shock balls are exploding around you.

[legacy-xWARPIGx]

Definately play more survival. The shock rifle used to be my biggest threat, but now it's very much avoidable. Just like how I can't anymore because everyone and their mother have become great at rejecting it.

[legacy-Zionix]

Question u guyz ortta be asking yourselves is do i suck?


Shock is not that bad, it IS the most skillful energy weapon.


Reason why people have a problem with it: their are a certain amounts of players who own with shock

because shock rifle looks so impressive it must mean that it is really powerful. WRONG. It is balanced.

lets address other issues that are actually a problem if your not VERMIN or just BAD AT THE GAME SON!

Stinger with speed on: yes quite litterely overpowering ridculous but i aint gonna lose my head over it cause i am a pro


Biorifle! yes it does auto-aim.
Yes it does have a bigger hitbox than the graphix
Yes it kills in one hit
Yes it is cheap
i rest my case.


VERMIN: AKA Melee noobs, they cling to you like VERMIN. Occassionally you commmit suicide when using rockets on them because they are too close, they are BAD AT THE GAME and they are VERMIN

P.S they complain about: Rocket whores, shock whores, running noobs, backstabbers, energy bursters, emp rockets, ME, people who are just generaly GOOD AT THE GAME.



Finally i'd just like to rest the point that you are all WRONG about shock rifles it is the most skillest gun in the game. if you dont like it get better at the game!!!!!

[legacy-x_djs_x]

^ you sound confident about being against it, so any good tips?

[legacy-xWARPIGx]

I think the GL takes just about as much skill. But you are right, it does take alot of skill to be good with the SR. Unless you use a mouse and keyboard. Then your automatically skilled.

djs, read the first page. All kinds of tips. I swear by mine.

[legacy-ShakaM]

Question u guyz ortta be asking yourselves is do i suck?


Shock is not that bad, it IS the most skillful energy weapon.


Reason why people have a problem with it: their are a certain amounts of players who own with shock

because shock rifle looks so impressive it must mean that it is really powerful. WRONG. It is balanced.

lets address other issues that are actually a problem if your not VERMIN or just BAD AT THE GAME SON!

Stinger with speed on: yes quite litterely overpowering ridculous but i aint gonna lose my head over it cause i am a pro


Biorifle! yes it does auto-aim.
Yes it does have a bigger hitbox than the graphix
Yes it kills in one hit
Yes it is cheap
i rest my case.


VERMIN: AKA Melee noobs, they cling to you like VERMIN. Occassionally you commmit suicide when using rockets on them because they are too close, they are BAD AT THE GAME and they are VERMIN

P.S they complain about: Rocket whores, shock whores, running noobs, backstabbers, energy bursters, emp rockets, ME, people who are just generaly GOOD AT THE GAME.



Finally i'd just like to rest the point that you are all WRONG about shock rifles it is the most skillest gun in the game. if you dont like it get better at the game!!!!!



And if you do not like the bio-rifle, then get better at the game.

I am using your philosiphy here. [face_thinking]

[legacy-x_djs_x]

I meant stratagies from Zionix, he seems to be good against it, so I just want to know how lol.

[legacy-blackm0n]

whenever i see the blue ball coming i jump forward and reject it

[legacy-ra1n]

I, uh, jump away. an an an shoot them in deh blue ball with my lightning as they fire their next one... an an an den.. I, uh, jump away...

If you don't do that, you go boom. ALWAYS.

[legacy-Pegeta]

Well I just learned first hand last night that the Ultimate defense against the shock combo is another shock combo. I was practing the shock combo and just so happened to be in a room with a combo whore. When the guy was spamming blue orbs I shot one of his by mistake and saw it blow up...at that very moment a light blub appeared above my head. For the rest of the match I was spamming primary fire whenever I saw him and got him to kill himself about 4 times.

Yes thats the ultimate defense people.....offense with the same god damn weapon.

[legacy-ra1n]

hehe thats the only way you can defend connect's shocks it seems :D Pegeta we had fun games yesterday. <-- i'm one of the shock whores you played on the 12th. ;D

[legacy-XoVeNmiTsX]

ya i watched both of u play w. my bro a couple times last night, (death dream)

[legacy-ra1n]

Oven i still havn't played you. Are you a ctf kinda guy? DM and CTF players dont cross paths that often. I wish i played ctf well. My headset to my mic broke so i cant talk and play at the same time. And i need a voice or a kb for a successful *FUN* CTF game.

[legacy-XoVeNmiTsX]

ya i play CTF, and if not that im playing SV andif not than TDM, i hardly ever play reg DM tho, so much chaos!

[legacy-ra1n]

:D lol and those are the ones i don't play. lol If i play SV its always lagged up. I freeze in spectator mode so i just quit messing with it. I'm all about DM in any form i can get it.

Oh and b4 its off topic, the answer to the post is. NO!

[legacy-Pegeta]

omg that was you, lol you love to follow me around alot you bastard. 8)

Hey did you see some of the insane sniper rejections I got on theaugy? One time I was point blank in his face and "headshot" I said "holy ****" at the top of my voice. An then one time he jumped and shot and "headshot" I was amazed I managed to reject those shots. I have to say theaugy is the hardest sniper I had to read. God we had some fun matches. When is the next one?


P.S. Hey Ra1n did I play better as Malcom or Calypso that night?

[legacy-XoVeNmiTsX]

omg that was you, lol you love to follow me around alot you bastard. 8)

Hey did you see some of the insane sniper rejections I got on theaugy? One time I was point blank in his face and "headshot" I said "holy ****" at the top of my voice. An then one time he jumped and shot and "headshot" I was amazed I managed to reject those shots. I have to say theaugy is the hardest sniper I had to read. God we had some fun matches. When is the next one?




r u talkn to me? cuz it wuz my brother, not me

[legacy-Pegeta]

I was talking to ra1n, and your brother is not theaugy is he?

[legacy-XoVeNmiTsX]

no hes deathdream, u played him last night

[legacy-xPEACEx]

BAD AT THE GAME SON!

lol owned son.

[legacy-ra1n]

Pegeta i think you did well as a medium. However i remember you reflecting like madddddd. So you could possibly be bad ass with calypso. I noticed you didn't use homing and whore all game w/ it. :D if you did i wasnt around. So thank god for that. Personally everyone is = in this game except EMP by the masses vs Devestation. It's up to you really. Lol, and i saw one head shot reflection. Augy was getting robbed all that game. My best play was a teleport behind him and a flak shot to his back. Everyone kept going after him when i was though so he got the bad end of the deal a lot. And no one could find clue that game. lol he's kinda invisible unless he uses head turret. But bio users are supposed to be that way.

[legacy-Murder_Machine]

My tip is hit speed and manuver around him the "shock combow" cant hit you if you get behind him before he/she can finish it.

[legacy-ra1n]

problem being, Cores can be frozen. A lot of the times the combo is outa no where. You see the core,BAM you blow up. its how the cookie crubles.

[legacy-Captain_Karkos]

My shock? Oh ya I was using it that night. Ripjack/Shock is my secondary weapon choice. I normally use Grenade/Bio, as you can see in my first montage.[face_grin]

I was pissed though in the last game I played in that server. Augy and Clue had already left, and I decided to stay for one more game or until I lagged out before joining them, then bam once I gain a lead of 2-3 points "This Game is no longer available". I hate that stupid glitch. Then I just followed Augy and Clue to the game they were in.

[legacy-Pegeta]

yeah out of all those rejections 4 out of 5 sniper shots on me were head shot rejections...I was amazed I barely lagged on a server for a change. When I was malcom I ended up using speed and heal alot because everyone in that game was a freaking master of backstabbing, LoL

[legacy-ra1n]

:D Yeah some people take the death then use iron spirit on the next spawn. I never do that, but some people like to. If i have malcolm i'm normally using iron spirit all game. I don't use homing or sentinal to much. ;/ I'm a Rocket / Shock primary user mainly, I just use him for the armor and health stacking abilities. He has high HP, same as a heavy with starting health. With iron spirit, its like a heavy with max health. Yet the speed and range of malcolm. He's a brick house man. Excelent if played defensive. Annoying if played offensive.

[legacy-SoToAsT]

to defend myself against the s/c i put on my shield run back and wen he shoots a ball run forwards and reflect it ... if it does not kill quickly i usaly get the hell outa there! unless i have my trusty nade in which i get round and spam them :D

[legacy-Ez_Jamin]

The only way ive sucsessfuly defended myself against it is with another shock rifle i trided the shield but died within a heart beat.

[legacy-Ez_Jamin]

or you could just rush them with speed

[legacy-Ez_Jamin]

Just shoot anything so that they cant see the blue balls

[snoogans460]

He has high HP, same as a heavy with starting health. With iron spirit, its like a heavy with max health.

Like a heavy with max health? Are you serious. Malcolm?

[legacy-xWARPIGx]

Bump. This is the thread. No need to start another one.

[legacy-Ranilin]

No, ra1n is just delusional here.. Malcolm has the exact same health as Anubis, Merc Anubis, Sobek, Apophis, Torgr, Garek, Brock, Judas, and Raiden.
Iron Spirit gives him the ability to take more damage than a juggie, by far, but he doesn't have any extra life.

[legacy-addict_to_uc2]

ya i play CTF, and if not that im playing SV andif not than TDM, i hardly ever play reg DM tho, so much chaos!

ovenmits you should play more Ctf but i must admit we have had some good games. Also true about the shock versus shock congradulations.

[legacy-XoVeNmiTsX]

im guessing your hawkinman? Ya, good games in fastest/fazl's server. Too bad he dont play ne more. I seen him the other day but he shut the server down after three matches.

and you quoted me from five months ago...lol

[legacy-JDOG]

defense against the shock--> shield facing the shock core, never turn away from it, shoot cores with primary shock, run a way, or charge//double jump reflect towards opponent and melee/use close range weapon and do not give enough space for enemy to do a combo.

[legacy-ShredPrince2]

I dont know about you guys, but I can't freakin EVER reject cores and can rarely reject the beams.

I'm better at rejecting the primary stinger for christ sake...I can actually do it....WTF!!!!!!

LOL

[legacy-Zionix]

NUB!!s

[legacy-NecrisFlood]

it should be pretty easy to reject those "blue balls", heh....

I wouldn't risk it though, as they're intending to detonate those cores in your face, especially if you try to reject that. Again, thanks for all the suggestions...getting close seems to be the best way to deal with Shock Combo so far....besides countering it with your own Shock primary shots.

[legacy-Junior]

lol@the shock riffle being indefensible. Its ver easy to dodge those slow moving cores. Just simply move out the way when you see it coming.

[legacy-ssssupermario92]

just reject it,its easy to avoid[face_wink]

[legacy-XoVeNmiTsX]

not all of us have our melee out all the time ;)

[legacy-ThingamajiGeR]

not all of us have our melee out all the time ;)
lol

speed and wraith should do the job...if u have enough agrenilen(bad spelling)
i always hace full i use saphire alot and i just run up and ice burst with the wad gun

[legacy-ssssupermario92]

not all of us have our melee out all the time ;)

teh he,at least I'm good with it,oh I'm cold with it[face_laugh]

[legacy-Sparezno-1]

Just reject the shock cores nub. If you cant then shoot them with your prime.

[legacy-ra1n]

I suggest using a gun... And be really good with it.

[legacy-ShredPrince2]

Oh Shock is not a prob for me, I just cant reject it, but like mits said..........

I gues I'm just not a "gay-lee" dude.

[legacy-Tug_Soldi3r]

how hard is it to dodge a shock core. just correct your movement if your getting hit on a regular basis. we need to find a way from getting hit by the GooP. im still the undefeated goop magnet. [face_cool]

[legacy-OakCoast]

Goop- move less dodge more, get ready to dodge on reaction just like rejecting on reaction. Cut off their angles so they can't get a shot. Get cover. No shot, no kill. Cover and stealth is best way to stay alive. Use the goop to get to know the weapon to know how it moves, what shots can be made with them how to play with it, so you know how others will move with it, where they can shoot you from where you are vulnerable and not. If you cut off their horizontal angles you are in the money cause only grenades, rip, and flak can change direction and only shock can create damage to an opponent it is not inline with if the opponent is in range of the detonation of the shock core. Don't try to move in close. Keep distance. Te weapon moves slow and this will give you more room to dodge. Distance is the best way to survive more often than not unless you are straight up and owning the other playas.

[legacy-Tug_Soldi3r]

yeh, i guess im the biggest goop magnet cause i just forget about that it is always following me. as i double back alot in my movement im always walking on it. i always seem to jump straight in its path

[legacy-UnReaL-]

A lot of people hold still when they shoot the core. Then its easy target to sniper. This works if enemy isn't so close..

[legacy-ShredPrince2]

^Sounds more like a 2004 strategey to me.

[legacy-EnYon]

Yeah..

[legacy-MaLtOrA]

I SKIPPED LIKE 3 PAGES OF THIS SO IF U ALREADY SAID THIS, SORRY. IM WRITTING IN CAPS SO U CAN READ THIS AMAZING STRATEGY TO AVOIDING THE SHOCK COMBO :

- DODGE AWAY
- REFLECT THE SHOCK CORE TO UR ENEMY AND HELL END UP BLOWING IT UP IN HIS FACE
- OR JUST PULL OUT UR SHOCK AND BLOW IT UP
- OR KILL THE ENEMY