Unreal 2007 implications for Unreal Championship 3

[legacy-Oncnawan]

Microsoft pulled Unreal 2007 from Xbox's website today or yesterday. Many take this to mean that the title will truly not arrive on the 360. It makes very little sense to me to not release the title on the Xbox 360. However, if this is the case, that creates the slightest possibility that Epic may be working on Unreal Championship 3. Credible, or too far fetched?

[snoogans460]

Well, just to silence all the doubters - Team Xbox recently put up an article confirming the announcement that UT 2007 will ultimately see the light of day on 360. In fact, there are some 360 screenshots to go along with the proof...

Link...
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/10949/Unreal-Tournament-2007-Screenshots/

[legacy-Oncnawan]

Nice. I missed that. Good to hear.

Regarding UC3, given the poor support Epic gave to UC2, I presume that a UC3 would be out of the question.

All this secrecy involving release dates is curious. Assassin's Creed was announced for the PS3, but was displayed on the 360 (according to rumour). Unreal 2007 is not announced for the 360, but it is acknowledged for it, then denied, then implied. What is this, the Console Cold War?

[legacy-x_ZerK_x]

Well, just to silence all the doubters - Team Xbox recently put up an article confirming the announcement that UT 2007 will ultimately see the light of day on 360. In fact, there are some 360 screenshots to go along with the proof...

Link...
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/10949/Unreal-Tournament-2007-Screenshots/

they look just like the PC screenshots....[face_thinking]

[legacy-ShredPrince2]

How many times I gotta say this.

Dude it's not coming out for 360 as of right now.

Here is STEVE POLGE FROM E3 '06 CLEARLY SAY NO FOR 360.

If you read between the lines what I think he is saying is " it is possible but highly unlikely."

http://forums.epicgames.com/general_discussion/b10667/23863689/p1/?0

E3 stage show demo.

They ask him twice and he clearly seems agitated by the question.Which mean to me it's probably an area of disdain in there PR.

I think it smeels good for a UC3 though.

Coin toss IMO, but I'm fairly certain Xbox will not see UT2007 at all.IF it does it'lll be like a year after PS3.

[snoogans460]

Well, that developer never actually says "No." In fact, he was simply trying to dodge the question - which basically means that it'll eventually be slated for release on the 360. My theory is that Epic struck some kind of deal with Sony that allows them to only confirm UT 2007 (as of now) for the PS3 - that is, until their system is launched.

It's absolutely ludicrous to believe this game will be a PC / PS3 Exclusive. There's no way Sony has the complete console rights to this title - not a chance. If Epic knows what's good for them - they'll release this on 360 a short time (a few months max) after the PS3 version. Epic can't abandon their already existing Xbox fanbase (while taking a hit in sales) in favor of Sony.

[legacy-ShredPrince2]

You might be right, but it has been stated that the main reason is PC to Console connectivity.I think you'll be playing mods on PS3. or at least user maps (MY IDEA!).Know MS, and there B.S., there probably not able to do it, or will ing to spend the money or whatever, and Epic is like ok then, your loss.

They're betting on the fact that most UT players will eventually buy the given platform it's on, wheter PS3 or Xbox.

Shoot I know you'd buiy a PS3 eventually anyway and so would I....fellin that.

[legacy-Carn4ge]

If they ended up not releasing 2k7 on the 360 and only on the ps3, i know for damn sure I'd have my 360 on ebay and be picking up a ps3. Pretty much every 360 game out and coming out in the near future just aint worth much.

[legacy-j-rico_iidbz]

well theres no way u could play unreal wit that controller wit the sticks right next to them

[legacy-Acid_2_140bpm]

Hey Shred...do me a favor....find me an article that backs up your post on Epic's so called problem with MS. Cause I think that's just the biggest BS I've ever heard. If that was the case, Epic & MS wouldn't be undergoing with the Gears of War project at all. So why don't you explain to me what it is you're really talking about?

[legacy-x_ZerK_x]

You might be right, but it has been stated that the main reason is PC to Console connectivity.I think you'll be playing mods on PS3. or at least user maps (MY IDEA!).Know MS, and there B.S., there probably not able to do it, or will ing to spend the money or whatever, and Epic is like ok then, your loss.

They're betting on the fact that most UT players will eventually buy the given platform it's on, wheter PS3 or Xbox.

Shoot I know you'd buiy a PS3 eventually anyway and so would I....fellin that.

sony are the lazy ones... do you realy think they will do everything they say they will[face_thinking] well i dont... i cant even trust sony cus they showed of CGI as ingame graphics at some press conference thing....
also they havnt even told nvidia to hurry up with their RSX graphics card for the ps3 (its not finished yet) so hoe do they hope for games made to be compatible if they havnt even got the graphics card to test it???

[legacy-ShredPrince2]

Hey Shred...do me a favor....find me an article that backs up your post on Epic's so called problem with MS. Cause I think that's just the biggest BS I've ever heard. If that was the case, Epic & MS wouldn't be undergoing with the Gears of War project at all. So why don't you explain to me what it is you're really talking about?

I have stated that this is just my thoery.

I dont really care if it does or not.

I just dont want guys like you and SNoggans to think it;s gonna come out, when it;s probably not going to.

BUt I will find the article for you where they talk all great about PS3, and potiential PC to PS3 connectivity.

It'll be later on tonight,,,I got too much to do right now...just check back,


LEt me add that if it does come out for 360, and if its the better console version, I will by 360.

Really UT has alot to do with what console I buyu, but MEtal Gear is a big swayer.

[legacy-ShredPrince2]

[quote=Acid_2_140bpm]Hey Shred...do me a favor....find me an article that backs up your post on Epic's so called problem with MS. Cause I think that's just the biggest BS I've ever heard. If that was the case, Epic & MS wouldn't be undergoing with the Gears of War project at all. So why don't you explain to me what it is you're really talking about?

I have stated that this is just my thoery.

I dont really care if it does or not.

I just dont want guys like you and SNoggans to think it;s gonna come out, when it;s probably not going to.

BUt I will find the article for you where they talk all great about PS3, and potiential PC to PS3 connectivity.

It'll be later on tonight,,,I got too much to do right now...just check back,


LEt me add that if it does come out for 360, and if its the better console version, I will by 360.

Really UT has alot to do with what console I buyu, but MEtal Gear is a big swayer.

On the GOW thing.....Umm not gonna be Online is it????

Could be mistaken.


I really think it's more they want GOW to compewte with Halo on it's homw turf, and UT to be the competitor on other systems.

Take UC2 for example.....Halo 2, even 2 months out hurt it's sales.

Take it from me, I was working part time in a gme staor at the time and saw it first hand.

The week of UC2 I had more people get new copies of their sctached Halo, or just had not gotten it yet.


I think alot of this has to do with wanting UT to own Halo on sales.

I personally think it's never gonna happen, just due to my who general public thing, but whatever.

[legacy-Acid_2_140bpm]

LEt me add that if it does come out for 360, and if its the better console version, I will by 360.

Not to be harsh or anything but that's quite a hypocritical thing to say. Nevertheless I know that XB 360 is not getting UT. But I know there's going to be a great announcement following GOW. So I'm not worried.

[legacy-ShredPrince2]

How is that hypocritacal Acid???

I never said anything about either of them being potientially better.


You know damn well that Im gonna buy the best version of UT for PC and console so WTF man????

Right now Im leaning towrd a PS3,but that could change.

Also I plan on owning both in the end, it's just which one is more impotrant to me.

My main thing is I just want you to be on at least one of the versions I'm on next go round.


Acid, consider the thread tilte bro.

If no UT for 360, I think UC3 is possible, unlikely, but possible.

I like the idea of haviong two very different games to play from UT series.

HEll they may even make UC23 the "movement game" since UT07 is gonna be dumbed down.

Oh, and I am worried about UT07 potientially sukiung compared to my all time fav, and you know what that is.

I will be a 2k4 fanboy till the end, that I am guilty of.

[legacy-Oncnawan]

Thanks to all of you who replied. I agree that, given no logical reason to exclude the 360 and the fact that no one is straight up denying the existence of a 360 version, the 360 will get its own UT07 love in due course.

[legacy-Acid_2_140bpm]

How is that hypocritacal Acid???

The fact that you continuously bash on Xbox, Xbox Live & Thier Community. And yet you say if it arrives on the 360 you'll buy the system for it.[face_raised_brow]

Sort of like this post you wrote a few days ago.


What it boils down to is they listen to the gamers, and they know XBL is crapola.They seem to be confident tha sony is gonna have a better Online service.I think the only thing they doubt is will SOny actually implement what they claim.

Xbox Live is far superior to any concole Online serice to date.It is still crap IMO, and I plan to NEVER subscribe to it again.

I can guarantee this much though, I know what concsole I am buying, and not cause Im a fanboy, you know I have the box and tout PC all the time,If I was a fanboy, I'd just stick to PC without wieghing other options.

So now we know it's coming to the PC, and there's no doubt about it, you might just give us a repeat of what you've been doing here for as long as I can remember. And that is to praise the PC version 24/7 and bash console version 24/7.

[legacy-ShredPrince2]

AH I could see that.



I'll elaborate as not to cofuse you and make you think I engage in hypocracy.

IF it comes out for 360, and IF it's a good game, I will but UT2007.

How in the hell does that say I'm gonna play it on live????

I still say live is crap, and that may change for 360, but for XB1 it sux.Yes the large part of this "community" as you call it are docches IMO.

I think you might have things confused though.

When I think of "The community" in this context,I think of the UC2 community, which I rarly talk crap about, but XBL gamers in genral are a different story, and yes some UC2 playerrs fall into the category, but those players are probably not part of my definition of "the community".

The community being those who are always on the board and playing the game etc. Not those wh just jump on to play fleetingly.

So to clarify for you, If I buy it for 360 it will NOT be with any purpose of Online play.

I will never waste money on XBL again.Even If it did'nt suck, I would still plat UT2007 on PC for FREE over paying $50 to play a more than likeley lesser version.
You know damn well once again, where I'm gonna be playing this game.

[legacy-Xbox360]

Who needs UT2k7 when you're getting Halo 3?

[legacy-RyGaR]

Who needs UT2k7 when you're getting Halo 3?

Can I shoot him for saying that?

Halo is the most overrated game iv ever played, it's a decent game but not nearly as good as it's hyped by people. it's just slow and boring.

[legacy-Acid_2_140bpm]

Who needs UT2k7 when you're getting Halo 3?

[face_raised_brow] lol..........right. I agree it's overrated and it's a slow paced shooter. Enough Said.[face_shame_on_you]

[legacy-Kr4wL]

Who needs UT2k7 when you're getting Halo 3?

[face_raised_brow] lol..........right. I agree it's overrated and it's a slow paced shooter. Enough Said.[face_shame_on_you]

about half of america is made up of kids or summut...

about half of these may have an xbox

and all the half will have halo 2

halo 2 is full of 8 - 13 year old noobs who cant aim for **** and need auto aim to rape, they wudnt survive on a game which doesnt aim for you.

however i do have and play the game and enjoy but i know i can aim so i dnt feel so bad when i get raped by noobs lol!!!

[legacy-ShredPrince2]

Who needs UT2k7 when you're getting Halo 3?

Can I shoot him for saying that?

Halo is the most overrated game iv ever played, it's a decent game but not nearly as good as it's hyped by people. it's just slow and boring.

Oh you can do more than that.

I have an admission though:

I helped my connect master sword flying the other day...>AHHHHHHHHH

[legacy-Condiment_King]

As far as Im concerned, youre better off playing UT2k7 on the PC. Better control, more customization, better graphics, free online play... I can go on and on and on and on.

I wouldnt even plan on buying this for a console. I think FPS's should stay on the PC instead of consoles. But its not gonna happen. However, a nice thing about the console versions is that you dont need to upgrade your computer in order to play a new game. I could spend 500 bucks on an xbox/ps3 and get close to the same feel from my PC for 700-1000 (although I wouldnt have as much fun).

[legacy-ShredPrince2]

As far as Im concerned, youre better off playing UT2k7 on the PC. Better control, more customization, better graphics, free online play... I can go on and on and on and on.

I wouldnt even plan on buying this for a console. I think FPS's should stay on the PC instead of consoles. But its not gonna happen. However, a nice thing about the console versions is that you dont need to upgrade your computer in order to play a new game. I could spend 500 bucks on an xbox/ps3 and get close to the same feel from my PC for 700-1000 (although I wouldnt have as much fun).



Well stated.

[legacy-x_ZerK_x]

As far as Im concerned, youre better off playing UT2k7 on the PC. Better control, more customization, better graphics, free online play... I can go on and on and on and on.

I wouldnt even plan on buying this for a console. I think FPS's should stay on the PC instead of consoles. But its not gonna happen. However, a nice thing about the console versions is that you dont need to upgrade your computer in order to play a new game. I could spend 500 bucks on an xbox/ps3 and get close to the same feel from my PC for 700-1000 (although I wouldnt have as much fun).



if a console cant be used for FPS then wtf is it gonna be used for????

[legacy-Condiment_King]

if a console cant be used for FPS then wtf is it gonna be used for????

everything else...

i.e. RPGs, Third person games (devil may cry, GTA's, etc), arcade flight sims, racing games, etc.

[legacy-ShredPrince2]

As far as Im concerned, youre better off playing UT2k7 on the PC. Better control, more customization, better graphics, free online play... I can go on and on and on and on.

I wouldnt even plan on buying this for a console. I think FPS's should stay on the PC instead of consoles. But its not gonna happen. However, a nice thing about the console versions is that you dont need to upgrade your computer in order to play a new game. I could spend 500 bucks on an xbox/ps3 and get close to the same feel from my PC for 700-1000 (although I wouldnt have as much fun).



if a console cant be used for FPS then wtf is it gonna be used for????
Mario BRos


Codiment, check ur PM's

[snoogans460]

What I enjoy about console FPS's however, is that nobody essentially has one advantage over the other with the control scheme. Since everybody uses the two analog sticks - it seems a bit more balanced. I'll admit saying this because I suck with the keyboard. The mouse is the bomb however.

[legacy-ShredPrince2]

Ok Snoogans that not balance bro, thats just cause you suk with a KB.

I see what ur sayin though...more accessible to the masses, but still in accurate and laim when comparing shooters.PC wins easily for all games of this sort, FPS in general.Maybe not UC2, but it was desigened for the console.

Now when it comes to just about naything else, a controller owns it up.

[legacy-x_ZerK_x]

if a console cant be used for FPS then wtf is it gonna be used for????

everything else...

i.e. RPGs, Third person games (devil may cry, GTA's, etc), arcade flight sims, racing games, etc.

THOSE GAMES DONT ATTRACT THE MILLIONS

[legacy-Acid_2_140bpm]

I think FPS's should stay on the PC instead of consoles.

You talk as if the FPS titles released on the consoles haven't had any success at all compared to the PC. I've been here & there of my share of FPS games like Halo 2, the Tom Clancy titles (Rainbow Six & Ghost Recon), Unreal Champ 1 & 2, BF2:MC. The community is very high in these titles and they all have been going through a great run. The movements & shooting are almost the same..... so they belong as much to the consoles as they do for the PC.

[legacy-ThePigster]

if a console cant be used for FPS then wtf is it gonna be used for????

everything else...

i.e. RPGs, Third person games (devil may cry, GTA's, etc), arcade flight sims, racing games, etc.

THOSE GAMES DONT ATTRACT THE MILLIONS

Strange, I thought Mortal Kombat, Final Fantasy, Mario, Tekken, and many others did attract millions. Of course, anyone that buys a game console just for FPS is seriously limiting themselves. Have fun playing Halo and some crappy PC ports.

[legacy-ShredPrince2]

PRecisely my point.

IMO it as just as dumb to short change yourself from the best FPS experience possible, it is really something great if you hit gold with the correct game and rig/system.

THe way I see it, I gotta have many platforms for my gaming enjoyment.

FOr shotters, I play on PC, but when it comes to DevilMayCry, MEtal Gear, Soul CALibur, Tekken,MK,and whatever else, gotta have that console.

Man I want The Nintnedo We thingy, and PS3 and a new pimp tight ALienWare Dualcore CPu with a PCI express nivida 7900...WOOT

[legacy-Condiment_King]

I think FPS's should stay on the PC instead of consoles.

You talk as if the FPS titles released on the consoles haven't had any success at all compared to the PC. I've been here & there of my share of FPS games like Halo 2, the Tom Clancy titles (Rainbow Six & Ghost Recon), Unreal Champ 1 & 2, BF2:MC. The community is very high in these titles and they all have been going through a great run. The movements & shooting are almost the same..... so they belong as much to the consoles as they do for the PC.

Indeed I do talk that way that consoles FPS success has absolutely been dwarfed by that of the PCs. The ONLY game that has had mere success on a console is the halo series. Thats because its wasnt released on PC until YEARS after it was already on console (not to mention the port was a POS and everyone hated it)... and halo2 never even saw a PC port. Halo2 SUCKS compared to ANY PC FPS. Its too slow, the aim blows (auto aim anyone?) and when you spawn with all the weapons that you need in the game defeats the purpose of actually developing certain FPS skills...

No FPS game on a console even holds a candle to the communites/player numbers that are on CS (1.6 or source), Quake series, UT series, and BF:MC is nothing compared to BF2 on PC.

Movements on a console are terrible to what you can do with a PCs controls. Should I post trick jumping videos???

And shooting/aim??? LMFAO!!!!! I would put $1000 on the line to find me ONE person who could aim better than me with an xbox/PS controller than I can with a KB&M on a PC. Its not gonna happen.

[legacy-x_ZerK_x]

@pigster: the key word there pigster is DID

@king: we have auto aim on our side[face_tongue]

[legacy-Acid_2_140bpm]

Movements on a console are terrible to what you can do with a PCs controls.

And shooting/aim??? LMFAO!!!!! I would put $1000 on the line to find me ONE person who could aim better than me with an xbox/PS controller than I can with a KB&M on a PC. Its not gonna happen.

However, there is no way that PC gamers can dodge the way we dodge in UC2. If UC2 were ever on the PC, KB&M users would not multi wall dodge, elevator jump & shoot at the same time the way us console gamers use it. I will give you this, you people have some mean aiming. But not very good movements. Military shooters are fine because there's little movement involved and there's more aiming and shooting.

[legacy-ThePigster]

After UC2, I'm pretty convinced that shooters on consoles are better in the 3rd person. Not to say that there shouldn't be any FPS on console, just that developers shouldn't put so much attention in FPS. FPS takes a back to shooters like UC2, and Twisted Metal on console. It's all because of the controller.

[legacy-Carn4ge]

All they really gotta do is start releaseing some trackball controllers or something like that, thatll definetly increase accuracy.

[legacy-x_ZerK_x]

i know make a M/K for the xbox 360

[snoogans460]

When I was playing UT 99 back in the Dreamcast days, I made an effort to try every control scheme known to man (or that was possible at the time). At first I stuck with the simple controller set-up (which was lacking a right analog stick as many will recall) and would get owned by keyboard / mouse users online. However, I simply didn't care about losing, since the enjoyment derived from the experience overshadowed my suckage.

In time, I purchased a keyboard and mouse myself - but never really took the time to get good because it felt so unnatural. Instead, I played with the controller in my left hand and the mouse in the right - which is the exact same set-up I use to this very day when PC gaming. Also, I even purchased the Panther Controller Trackball set-up - even though it didn't live up to its potential since the trackball was to hard to aim with.

Here's a pic... [image=http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/snoogans460/Panther.jpg]

I find that it's funny how dodging in UC2 with a keyboard would ultimately be a cumbersome task - yet, dodging in a more standard FPS such as the other Unreals are best performed on a keyboard.