CHARACTER CHOICE-Think of ALL players.

[1stPerson=MotionSickness]

I think there should be a PRE-MADE character choice-Let the player choose what RACE the main character is at the beginning of the game.It doesn't have to be as deep as Elder scrolls:Oblivion Just give the player 4 character choices from the beginning of the game-White male,Black male,Latin male,Asian male(your team mates call out the name marcus so we can't do female choices)-Those choices will cover MOST of the people who will be buying the game.When the main character of a video game is at least close to the Race of the player it gives the player a closer connection to the game.The company Bioware understands this concept but bioware is a Canadian company-how long will it take for American companies to realize Gamers come in more than just 1 Race?-What do you think?

[Zoso Fan]

The story revolves around marcus too much to include this feature. Same with Dom (reason for 2 player co-op) I would basicly build marcus anyway! :)

[Uday23]

The story revolves around marcus too much to include this feature. Same with Dom (reason for 2 player co-op) I would basicly build marcus anyway! :)

lol, Right! the story is about marcus and dom not about some random charactr u create, but maybe for MP.......

[1stPerson=MotionSickness]

In star wars:Knights of the old republic,the story was about Darth reven but the developers let the player choose what revan looked like,Same thing in deus ex(for the xbox)-It can work.If you choose the default character Marcus.Enjoy your game and just don't think about the fact that some one else is playing the game as an Asian Female!-LOL

[Uday23]

In star wars:Knights of the old republic,the story was about Darth reven but the developers let the player choose what revan looked like,Same thing in deus ex(for the xbox)-It can work.If you choose the default character marcus.Enjoy your game and just dont think about the fact that some one else is playing the game as an asian girl!-LOL

well with GoW i dont think it would work out.......

[Zoso Fan]

When your in-trouble your team mates yell out to you, so like if a grenade is by you Dom will say "Marcus, watch out theres a grenade!" I would rather have more detailed voice acting which adds to the storyline than hearing "grenade!" every second or even worse having to read text bubbles or subtitles!

[1stPerson=MotionSickness]

Well narrow the character choices down to males only-White male,Black male,Asian male,Latin male-that solves that problem.

[Uday23]

Well narrow the character choices down to males only-White male,Black male,Asian male,Latin male-that solves that problem.

well what about there names, what would dom yell hey "corneilius" *robot voice*, get down! that would be dumb, im pretty sure that marcus is the main character and it would just screw up the story if he wasnt:)

[1stPerson=MotionSickness]

Hey you know as well as I do that there are a TON of Black males out there named marcus-LOL,and I bet you could find a few Latin guys and Asian guys named marcus too-leave the name the same-marcus-just let the player decide what race marcus is-since the gender choice wouldn't work.

[Uday23]

Hey you know as well as I do that there are a TON of Black males out there named marcus-LOL,and I bet you could find a few Latin guys and Asian guys named marcus too-leave the name the same-marcus-just let the player decide what race marcus is-since the gender choice wouldn't work.

i guess that is a possiblity, maybe u can pick the Race and the "gear" only, now that would be cool, maybe u get to pick the armor and bags, belts.......

[1stPerson=MotionSickness]

I didnt think of the gears choice-thats a really good idea too.

[Citruso]

The whole gender and race thing isn't a good idea for GoW.

[1stPerson=MotionSickness]

The gender thing wouldn't work.Someone told me your team mates call out the name Marcus during the game.But you can narrow the choices down to males-White male,Black male,Asian male,Latin male.Those choices will cover MOST of the people who will be buying the game.When the main character is at least close to the players race.It gives the player a closer connection to the game.If you choose the default character enjoy Your game.Don't think about what character someone else in another house or city or country is playing as.

[Uday23]

The gender thing wouldn't work.Someone told me your team mates call out the name Marcus during the game.But you can narrow the choices down to males-White male,Black male,Asian male,Latin male.Those choices will cover MOST of the people who will be buying the game.When the main character is at least close to the players race.It gives the player a closer connection to the game.If you choose the default character enjoy Your game.Don't think about what character someone else in another house or city or country is playing as.

well thats a maybe but i think the idea of customizing Marcus' armor, belt, boots, nap sack......would be kind of cool, but i highly doubt they would have this for single player, hopefully they have it for MP!

[1stPerson=MotionSickness]

I think thats a cool idea too,Gear customization and Character Race choice(white,black,latin,asian-that covers MOST of the people who will be buying the game.) would make the game really fun for ALL.-"Leave no gamer behind".

[Citruso]

I'm good with this cusomtization being in the Multiplayer aspect, but I would really just want to see the masked CoGs instead of the ones without masks (Marcus, Dom - playing with 3 Marcus's in the same game) to be playable in Multiplayer which would then be useless for the race/gender thing - though changing/tweaking your outfit I'm good with.

[ZaammK]

It's not going to happen, far too late in development now, people would be annoyed with this feature after seeing shots/movies of THE Marcus in action. Might have been a nice idea at one poitn, but not really plausable now.

[eliek02]

This isn't some create-a-story rise through the ranks kind of game. This is a carefully crafted story-driven game with set characters, environment, themes and any other essential narrative components.

So it'd be pretty ridiculous to suggest changing things and making more work for the developers in creating new skins, voices they hadn't intended to just so Racist McInsecure can feel better while playing the game, as if the game is based on them. And why then does race automatically establish a connection? What about deeper things like life experiences, personality traits or anything else like that? I mean that's like sitting in movies and suddenly wondering.. hmm the main character has to be my own race before I can enjoy this. That's complete bull****.

[j-wrell]

any sort of customization will make me happy:) single player, or multiplayer

[RIGOR_MORTIS]

I think thats a cool idea too,Gear customization and Character Race choice(white,black,latin,asian-that covers MOST of the people who will be buying the game.) would make the game really fun for ALL.-"Leave no gamer behind".


I tire of everything catering to everyone.... P.C. is out of control. Kids don't need characters of the same race to be able to relate/play. It's so overdone. I'm sick of it.

[SkateXer99]

I'm sick of these character customization threads.

[Whistlerman]

I'm sick of these character customization threads.
same but o Well, we only have to wait....sigh 4-5 months

[Sinist3rP4nda]

yeah, but having a character custamization would throw the whole story board, and story of the game off. its just better not to have this feauture. dont worry about it epic games will make this game very fun and addicting. They are all gamers to...:P

[Xenomorph]

shuttup. All the wallpapers are a white Marcus. It's never gonna change. It can't. Shooters and RPGs are different things. Both Deus Ex and Knights of the Old Republic are RPGs. Get it now???!!!!??? :p

[RawrInATor]

Dont be so picky!!
Does it really matter what freakin race your character is?
They're wearing those huge suits of armor so you'll barely be able to tell anyway unless u swerve the screen around or something!
Just... shut up about it

[Uday23]

Calm Down everyone, these are just opinions, nothing to get angry about

[1stPerson=MotionSickness]

You feel that way because when you go to the movies MOST of them(like 90%) have the Same race playing the staring role.-."You wont notice somehting is missing until it's gone"

[1stPerson=MotionSickness]

Easy to say when 98% of all video games star a character thats not a minority

[1stPerson=MotionSickness]

Hey you know as well as I do that there are a TON of Black males out there named marcus-LOL,and I bet you could find a few Latin guys and Asian guys named marcus too-leave the name the same-marcus-just let the player decide what race marcus is-since the gender choice wouldn't work.

[Uday23]

most likely(which is not that likely) you will only be able to customize your MP character and NOT your single player one

[1stPerson=MotionSickness]

It can work.If you choose the default character marcus.Enjoy your game and just dont think about the fact that some one else is playing the game as another race.

[Uday23]

It can work.If you choose the default character marcus.Enjoy your game and just dont think about the fact that some one else is playing the game as another race.

do you really think that EPIC is going to add or already has this in the game, well i dont and i dont think anyone will care that u cant be ur own race in single player, w/e i dont want to talk abou this anymore, maybe just maybe u can customize ur character in multiplayer, hopefully u can customized race, armor, other gear, boots, bandanas, tattoos, maybe even favorite "one liners" to use, hair style.....

[Hades2000]

Ehhh, customization in multiplayer, save for an emblem or something, is irrelevant to me. I just hope they have tags or a similar ID system to Halo 2, that was PERFECT. You knew exactly where your team mates were, it worked beautifully.

[Uday23]

Ehhh, customization in multiplayer, save for an emblem or something, is irrelevant to me. I just hope they have tags or a similar ID system to Halo 2, that was PERFECT. You knew exactly where your team mates were, it worked beautifully.

yes i liked that alot too, but i think in GoW it will be different, u only have 3 temmates(well thats what we know so far) in MP and u need to work as a team so u should kind of already know were ur teammates should be, but yes they should have some kind of lil tag, i dont really care much for cutomization i would just like a simple way of making ur character look a lil different than everyone else, thats if they even have customization, b/c in the 4v4 we saw at e3 u could only be the 4 main COG and some of the 4 locusts types, so maybe in normal "every man for himself" deathmatch u can customize ur player

[SkateXer99]

The Godfather was probably the only game to have a create a character that implemented it somewhat well. Your guy is in the movie scenes either watching or interacting, and you even have a past unlike many other games. (Where you see your character as a kid, and something happens, then your in the family)

[1stPerson=MotionSickness]

OXM(official xbox Magazine) gave The God Father bad reviews they said the customization was limited.I know to a lot of guys on this Forum they could care less about Race customization because Marcus is already reflecting there race. I'm not asking for a whole lot here-a simple darkening or lighting of the skin and some different hair textures-I'm sure it won't bring the engine to a grinding halt or take six months to implement.The only difference between most human beings is a skin tone and hair texture most of our noses and lips are shaped the same.The shear fact that this suggestion bothers people is similar to a person being pissed every time they use there Blue colored phone because they know someone out there is using the same model that's colored red-LOL

[Flaming Hornets]

Ehhh, customization in multiplayer, save for an emblem or something, is irrelevant to me. I just hope they have tags or a similar ID system to Halo 2, that was PERFECT. You knew exactly where your team mates were, it worked beautifully.
You don't need the icons, the Y button will switch your focus to the nearest teammate, as long as a "movie aspect" is not happening.

[Uday23]

You don't need the icons, the Y button will switch your focus to the nearest teammate, as long as a "movie aspect" is not happening.

well ther wont be too many movie aspects in MP anyways, but hopefully the point of interest thing will work in MP, by highlighting the nearest teammate with some icon, maybe a mini crimeson omen or something, i would like that, maybe it will flash or change colors if he is being killed

[SkateXer99]

OXM(official xbox Magazine) gave The God Father bad reviews they said the customization was limited.I know to a lot of guys on this Forum they could care less about Race customization because Marcus is already reflecting there race. I'm not asking for a whole lot here-a simple darkening or lighting of the skin and some different hair textures-I'm sure it won't bring the engine to a grinding halt or take six months to implement.The only difference between most human beings is a skin tone and hair texture most of our noses and lips are shaped the same.The shear fact that this suggestion bothers people is similar to a person being pissed every time they use there Blue colored phone because they know someone out there is using the same model that's colored red-LOL

OXM are idiots. They rated fight night round 3 a perfect 10, and they realised they screwed themselves with this, so they made a new level of 11.

[eliek02]

OXM(official xbox Magazine) gave The God Father bad reviews they said the customization was limited.I know to a lot of guys on this Forum they could care less about Race customization because Marcus is already reflecting there race. I'm not asking for a whole lot here-a simple darkening or lighting of the skin and some different hair textures-I'm sure it won't bring the engine to a grinding halt or take six months to implement.The only difference between most human beings is a skin tone and hair texture most of our noses and lips are shaped the same.The shear fact that this suggestion bothers people is similar to a person being pissed every time they use there Blue colored phone because they know someone out there is using the same model that's colored red-LOL

Geez, why the hell does it even matter anyway? You'll spend most of the game playing from behind the view anyway. Instead of putting so much damn stock in skin color why not worry about deeper and more important things for the game. How do you even enjoy games if you're worried about stupid bull**** like this rather than the actual gameplay. You sound just like the fools who made a big stink about playing as Carl Johnson in GTA: San Andreas.

[Zoso Fan]

I agree with eliek02... this is Gears of War, not starwars... :)

[Shifty]

I'll third that. I think that if a concern such as that will influence whether or not you'll buy this game then it really wasn't meant for you anyways.

[Uday23]

ya i dont really care about character customization, especially not in SP, it would be kinda cool to create ur own COG or Locust character for MP, but who cares, i am insanely happy with what we know of, i can't wait to play GoW!

[Reconciliation]

Exactly, in MP I could agree with character customization... But in SP I just say a flat out no, and before the whole " Just because he's part of your race " arguement is thrown at me, thats not the case. I mean, what does it matter, this is the story of Marcus, Marcus happens to be white. I really dont see why you are concerned about something so trivial, customization for MP is fine by me, by all means. But for SP, just no, especially the skin tone, it doesn't matter what color his skin is, it will not improve your playing skills or decrease them.

[Uday23]

Exactly, in MP I could agree with character customization... But in SP I just say a flat out no, and before the whole " Just because he's part of your race " arguement is thrown at me, thats not the case. I mean, what does it matter, this is the story of Marcus, Marcus happens to be white. I really dont see why you are concerned about something so trivial, customization for MP is fine by me, by all means. But for SP, just no, especially the skin tone, it doesn't matter what color his skin is, it will not improve your playing skills or decrease them.

actually marcus is 1/12 cherokee, and 2/3 korean, with a pinch of irish! lol jk i agree with u! i doubt ppl will care what color marcus' skin is, btw the thread maker was saying that the players might get a better experience out of the game if they could play as there own race, it really doesnt matter to me, Customization in SP means nothing to me(in this game), and customization in MP would be cool, but if they dont have it, it wont be a big deal........

[Reconciliation]

Exactly, I dont care eithier way the game will still be teh uber. Though I dont see why there is such a fuss about the color of Marcus' skin. Seems kinda silly to me :D

[Uday23]

Exactly, I dont care eithier way the game will still be teh uber. Though I dont see why there is such a fuss about the color of Marcus' skin. Seems kinda silly to me :D

yeah, its really no big deal, im not white but it doesnt matter to me, w/e, i hope u can customize ur own player in MP, that would be cool, but i could live without it, B/c GoW is gonna kick major AAAAAAA..........i mean Playstation AAAAAAAAA**!

[Reconciliation]

Damn that playstation, it shall be crucified. In any case, though MP customization would be cool, what good would be an alter in skin tone when your getting your sorry ass chainsawed... or even the dreaded curbstomp (*sigh* can't wait 'till the stomping begins :p)

[Uday23]

ya it would be cool if u could pick from a couple of basic models(the 4 characters plus some others, and locusts of course) and then edit there hair, skin, goggles, hat, do rag..............it would be cool if u could customize the armor, like the shoulder pads, boots, chest plate........

[j-wrell]

^^ yeah fer shizzle

[locosenor13]

Exactly, in MP I could agree with character customization... But in SP I just say a flat out no, and before the whole " Just because he's part of your race " arguement is thrown at me, thats not the case. I mean, what does it matter, this is the story of Marcus, Marcus happens to be white. I really dont see why you are concerned about something so trivial, customization for MP is fine by me, by all means. But for SP, just no, especially the skin tone, it doesn't matter what color his skin is, it will not improve your playing skills or decrease them. Yea, i agree! I mean, come on, I'm Puerto Rican, and i really dont care about whether Marcus is white, black, spanish, irish, or whatever. So for everyone who feels its so necessary for them, and that they are being treated unfairly because they are a different race, just remember: Im hispanic, and i have no problem with Marcus being white. Its a story of Marcus and his squad experiencing the invasion of the locust, not a story of all the different races in the world. As for multiplayer, Epic already said that one squad of four would be Marcus and his squadmates, and the other squad of four would be locust.

[GearsManiac123]

Yea, i agree! I mean, come on, I'm Puerto Rican, and i really dont care about whether Marcus is white, black, spanish, irish, or whatever. So for everyone who feels its so necessary for them, and that they are being treated unfairly because they are a different race, just remember: Im hispanic, and i have no problem with Marcus being white. Its a story of Marcus and his squad experiencing the invasion of the locust, not a story of all the different races in the world. As for multiplayer, Epic already said that one squad of four would be Marcus and his squadmates, and the other squad of four would be locust.
why are only a few of you guys as understanding as "locosenor"?(including me). i know a few people on here understand everything thats going on, you should know who im talking about. but then everybody ELSE loves arguing. i dont get it.:confused:

[HELLFIRE V1]

It would be cool to customize on multiplayer but i dont see them doing it.

[Reconciliation]

It would be cool to customize on multiplayer but i dont see them doing it.

Same, customization isn't necessary and the game would be fine without it, though it couldnt hurt (in MP)

[RIGOR_MORTIS]

I couldn't care less about customization for the look of my character. If you could, good for people that like it. I have never taken time to "make characters" in any games I have played.

[Reconciliation]

When I felt the need I have... Though Gears of War will be excellent without it.

[Chron0Crusader]

Theres a couple things that could be said or that I could say but Im just unsure of what exactly to say (yes, that was a mouthfull) But, since the game IS about Marcus and Dom, they are already set characters that weve seen in trailers and gameplay, to change them would be kind of weird, and also, I dont think race should really be too big of an issue, there is games where we play every race.

[Reconciliation]

Exactly, though why the skin tone is presented as such a sweeping issue I shall not know.

[UnrealWars]

What i want to know is how many people pay attention to the customization they did to there character in MP. I surely dont.

[Xenomorph]

The way you people are going on, they might as well put Marcus in full-plate body armour like a Red Shirt! It worked in Halo!

[Reconciliation]

Well in fairness, the red-shirts do look uber..... :p

[JAGX]

To: 1stPerson=MotionSickness
Dear ignoramus,

Listen carefully,

1. First of all this is a third-person shooter, not an rpg. In GOW, you are NOT Marcus Fenix, but rather you are controlling him as the plot unfolds. Much like a puppet in a movie script, similarly described as a film by it's producers. If you were actually Marcus, you WOULD be able to customize him and even insert your own name. Rather, you are simply pulling the strings to follow his pathway.

2. Customization is good, but sometimes it gets out of hand. Take The Matrix Online for PC. It was good to be able to change stuff up, but when people had green skinned characters wearing Halloween costumes it diminished the overall feel of the Matrix setting. Another good example, Halo 2. The covenant skins ARE IN FACT DIFFERENT. They had the player lurching forward making for a closer melee/sword lung distance if they or the opposing player aims for the head. I have had this game for years and only recently discovered it. Try it.

3. Finally, the person who posted this thread is ignorant. If you are going to preach equality, then do it for EVERYONE! He says that the game should include Latino, African, Asian and white skins. Not a bad idea, if it were not dismissed by numbers 1 & 2 above. But that's why he is wrong; not why he is an ignoramus. He is an ignoramus because he chooses to include a few specific races (probably his own) to satisfy his own selfish insecurity/childishness. Most of the people in the media are white because the majority of the people in America are, you guessed it, WHITE! And that doesn't even bother me, and I'm not even white. What I did find semi-offensive was that he simply writes off all other ethnicities (including my race) and females because his few additions will satisfy most of the people who will be playing GOW. Well guess what, GOW IS BASED ON THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO WILL BE PLAYING IT, AND THEY WILL BE WHITE!

[Uday23]

easy there, we are just expressing how opinions, btw welcome to the forum, that is quite a large first post;):)

[Darth Leto]

yea but if there were races there would people refering alot to american history x when it came to curbstomping and then people would get offended i think everyone as far as customization should just be able to make a little insignia like in halo it shlightl diverse but it doesn't take anything away from the whole.

[HyperTitan]

To: 1stPerson=MotionSickness
Dear ignoramus,

Listen carefully,

1. First of all this is a third-person shooter, not an rpg. In GOW, you are NOT Marcus Fenix, but rather you are controlling him as the plot unfolds. Much like a puppet in a movie script, similarly described as a film by it's producers. If you were actually Marcus, you WOULD be able to customize him and even insert your own name. Rather, you are simply pulling the strings to follow his pathway.

2. Customization is good, but sometimes it gets out of hand. Take The Matrix Online for PC. It was good to be able to change stuff up, but when people had green skinned characters wearing Halloween costumes it diminished the overall feel of the Matrix setting. Another good example, Halo 2. The covenant skins ARE IN FACT DIFFERENT. They had the player lurching forward making for a closer melee/sword lung distance if they or the opposing player aims for the head. I have had this game for years and only recently discovered it. Try it.

3. Finally, the person who posted this thread is ignorant. If you are going to preach equality, then do it for EVERYONE! He says that the game should include Latino, African, Asian and white skins. Not a bad idea, if it were not dismissed by numbers 1 & 2 above. But that's why he is wrong; not why he is an ignoramus. He is an ignoramus because he chooses to include a few specific races (probably his own) to satisfy his own selfish insecurity/childishness. Most of the people in the media are white because the majority of the people in America are, you guessed it, WHITE! And that doesn't even bother me, and I'm not even white. What I did find semi-offensive was that he simply writes off all other ethnicities (including my race) and females because his few additions will satisfy most of the people who will be playing GOW. Well guess what, GOW IS BASED ON THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO WILL BE PLAYING IT, AND THEY WILL BE WHITE!

That was intense. I don't really have anything else to say but, damn, intense.

[1stPerson=MotionSickness]

The majority of the people who buy consoles are minorities due to cheap price,NOT whites. MOST whites do there gaming on $2,000 plus pc's-There is a reason why the biggest selling game of all time has a minority as the star character.study read up and learn.Minorities drive the console video game industry.-Even though very few minorities are actually the ones making the games.-Character choice would be a Great asset to Gears Of war.No matter how much some people may dislike the idea that there is another person out there in the comfort of there own home playing a character that is not the same race as the Default selection.

[JAGX]

The majority of the people who buy consoles are minorities due to cheap price,NOT whites. MOST whites do there gaming on $2,000 plus pc's-There is a reason why the biggest selling game of all time has a minority as the star character.study read up and learn.Minorities drive the console video game industry.-Even though very few minorities are actually the ones making the games.-Character choice would be a Great asset to Gears Of war.No matter how much some people may dislike the idea that there is another person out there in the comfort of there own home playing a character that is not the same race as the Default selection.
"Ethnic minorities make up 30 percent of the U.S. population."
-Writers Guild of America

"About 32% of the U.S. population is non-white."
- USA Today

"Approximately 30 percent of the population currently belongs to a racial or ethnic minority group."
-According to the 2000 U.S. Census

OK, so right off the bat you have more than a 3:1 chance that an American gamer will be white. Then you state that most "whites" game on PC because it is more expensive. NO. The Xbox 360 will run you up an initial tab of about $600 + the cost of Live annually. A decent PC of comparable standards doesn't go for much more. People who buy $2k+ PC are either upper class citizens or hard-core gamers (who are a minority among gamers themselves). Also, the best selling game of all time was Super Mario Brothers 3 (maybe you consider Italians a minority?). Looks like you better: study, read up and learn. Finally, the only thing possibly wrong with games not being as diverse as could be is the fact that some people refuse assimilate and continue to look for and point differences and become offended.

Thats two strikes, shall we go for three?;)

[MooseKnuckles]

"Ethnic minorities make up 30 percent of the U.S. population."
-Writers Guild of America

"About 32% of the U.S. population is non-white."
- USA Today

"Approximately 30 percent of the population currently belongs to a racial or ethnic minority group."
-According to the 2000 U.S. Census

OK, so right off the bat you have more than a 3:1 chance that an American gamer will be white. Then you state that most "whites" game on PC because it is more expensive. NO. The Xbox 360 will run you up an initial tab of about $600 + the cost of Live annually. A decent PC of comparable standards doesn't go for much more. People who buy $2k+ PC are either upper class citizens or hard-core gamers (who are a minority among gamers themselves). Also, the best selling game of all time was Super Mario Brothers 3 (maybe you consider Italians a minority?). Looks like you better: study, read up and learn. Finally, the only thing possibly wrong with games not being as diverse as could be is the fact that some people refuse assimilate and continue to look for and point differences and become offended.

Thats two strikes, shall we go for three?;)

Wow, never start an argument with this guy :D

[1stPerson=MotionSickness]

Actually Whites are fast becoming assilmilated into my own latin culture.So much so that the u.S. census was changed to make every latino mixed with white be counted as White.So that whites still "appear" to be the majority.It wont be long before us latino's make sure that the next gears of war is about a latino and EVERY character in the game will be speaking spanish.

http://www.census.gov/population/projections/nation/summary/np-t5-h.txt

[MooseKnuckles]

Actually Whites are fast becoming assilmilated into my own latin culture.So much so that the u.S. census was changed to make every latino mixed with white be counted as White.So that whites still "appear" to be the majority.It wont be long before us latino's make sure that the next gears of war is about a latino and EVERY character in the game will be speaking spanish.

http://www.census.gov/population/projections/nation/summary/np-t5-h.txt

Well, in the end its up to the developers. And with the census, doesn't that also mean that theoretically, latinos who are half white (or a higher percentage) would be counted? that means that they aren't latino, they are half latino and half white. Plus, you realise that Dominic Santiago is the second most important character to the story, and im sure he's latino, so it seems that Epic is in fact putting a playable latino character in the game.

[1stPerson=MotionSickness]

Well It would be even better if Epic thought of everyone-I'm not pro-Latin or Anti-White-But I believe that everyone should have a choice of what race there character is.Some people refuse to evolve and feel threatened anytime someone says give people a choice other than the white default character.
I have been called a ignorant because I believe that when a person plays a video game they should have a choice to play a character that is the same race as them-ignorance is a person trying to get rid of the freedom of choice.-"I can't enjoy this game because I know someone out there is playing Marcus as an Asian guy!"-If the white version of Marcus is the default character fine YOU play the default character in YOUR house-if I choose to play through the game as the MINORITY version of Marcus-how would that mess up YOUR game?-You dont have to go as deep as elder scrolls a simple hair texture and skin tone option will do.and if you dont go to anyone's house while they're playing the Asian version of marcus you will never know what version they are playing so your mind will be at peace.

[MooseKnuckles]

Well It would be even better if Epic thought of everyone-I'm not pro-Latin or Anti-White-But I believe that everyone should have a choice of what race there character is.Some people refuse to evolve and feel threatened anytime someone says give people a choice other than the white default character.
I have been called a ignorant because I believe that when a person plays a video game they should have a choice to play a character that is the same race as them-ignorance is a person trying to get rid of the freedom of choice.-"I can't enjoy this game because I know someone out there is playing Marcus as an Asian guy!"-If the white version of Marcus is the default character fine YOU play the default character in YOUR house-if I choose to play through the game as the MINORITY version of Marcus-how would that mess up YOUR game?-You dont have to go as deep as elder scrolls a simple hair texture and skin tone option will do.and if you dont go to anyone's house while there playing the Asian version of marcus you will never know what version they are playing so your mind will be at peace.

I understand where you're coming from, and it isn't a bad idea. Its just that Marcus was designed as that character for a reason. I remember hearing an interview with CliffyB that he Gears to have memorable characters. He used Black as an example of a game in which you just don't remember or care about the main character. It would be almost impossible to create a unified, mascot type character, if he had no set appearance. Customisation works in games like GTA and ES where you "ARE" the character, but in Gears you are controlling a character, not becoming one.

[eliek02]

1stPerson=MotionSickness, anyway you want to spin this, your whole argument is trivial, now you're settling for just skin color and hair texture to be changed? I guess facial features, voice, and dialogue don't matter huh? Obviously you're so stuck on the skin aspect. And what's the point in changing hair? The guy's wearing a damn bandana the whole game so all you see are his sideburns anyway. So the face could be the same, voice the same, but so long as his skins different it's OK? Oh Yes that would be some real racial immersion right there.

And don't even try to make yourself out to be a victim fighting for a noble cause or whatever, it's just about you being needlessly petty wanting to make changes and additions that don't even matter.

I'd understand if this was some nameless character story like KOTOR, Saint's Row etc, But that's not the case here, I mean this someone's own story that they created, why then should the developers have to make unneccesary changes because overly racial conscious people such as yourself can't stand to play it without "reprezentin' la raza!" like this is a game custom-tailored for you.

And you never answered the question as to why race is automatically establishes a connection? Why not deeper things like personality traits or life experiences? Hell none of that should even matter, this is a game involving so much fiction and fantasy that racial identification would be far from one's list of concerns.

I'm sorry for whatever circumstances or environment that's caused you to think this way, but having that kind of mentality is only going to leave you pissed off and whining all the time. It's all about the gameplay, just have fun and enjoy the story and try not to worry about bull**** like this. I know I sure as hell won't.

[1stPerson=MotionSickness]

eliek02 says-"Resistance is futile you will be assimilated"-eliek02 Resistance is NOT futile and I will NOT be assimilated my borg friend.

[psyco blade]

i think that would be a stupid idea!!!

[Locust Bait]

It's not going to happen, far too late in development now, people would be annoyed with this feature after seeing shots/movies of THE Marcus in action. Might have been a nice idea at one poitn, but not really plausable now.
Yeah. Thats really dissapointing :( would be cool to look like Seargent Johnson in SP kicking some Locust @$$ though. lol. But on multiplayer I REALLY hope they put that on. Nothing like creating some guy and shooting balls off with them lol!

[1stPerson=MotionSickness]

No one knows what features are in the game except those working on the game.Many are saying it's too late they don't know if the feature was in the game from the beginning of development.Developers are evolving and just like the civil rights movement you can't stop evolution although many from the old era still try.

[Koric101]

I agree with JAGX.

It's gonna be up to epic to do whatever they want. What is the big deal about a white main char!?!? Just because epic want's a white char doesn't mean they have to make a bunch of them so everyones happy.

There are a ton of games where the main char isn't white or where you can change your race, but in games with detailed stories like gears it would mess with the experience.

And about the consoles being cheap, $400 for the premium system is NOT cheap, I'm white, live in a, well, upper class neighborhood, i guess you could say, but I still had to pull together my funds to afford all this.

I don't even see the big deal. I have had just as much fun.... maybe even more bein a black guy or mercenaries. That was kick ass, fun to be a black guy too. Just because your not your race doesn't mean they're trying to do anything to you, that's just what they wanted to do.

I'm not gonna argue with anyone though, I just wanted to post my opinion, probably inconsequential anyway.

Somone said... maybe my grandpa or somen..., "a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still", so whatever you think is your own thing, just don't get mad at this game for having a white main char. ;)

[MooseKnuckles]

No one knows what features are in the game except those working on the game.Many are saying it's too late they don't know if the feature was in the game from the beginning of development.Developers are evolving and just like the civil rights movement you can't stop evolution although many from the old era still try.

Likening the civil rights movement to being able to choose your skin tone and hairstyle in a videogame is ridiculous. One of them was a necessary step foward for society to move towards equality for all citizens, the other is just political correctness gone insane. It was posted before, but why is it so important? I'm white. Did that stop me loving GTA:SA because the main character was black? No. If GoW had Gus or Dom as the lead character, would I be moaning about not having the option to play as a white lead character? No. You seem to be making these statements for the sake of it, without really explaining why you feel them necessary in a CHARACTER based game with a CHARACTER based story. Just play the game and love it. Being able to relate to a character is much more dependant on development and the emotional connection you develop with said character, not their race.

[Scoopable]

Ok, I come from a diverse family, I am "Metis" hold my status card close to my heart, as it's a hell of a good way to get cheap university, other then that? I could care less...

It's important we all know our history and are proud of who we are, that I am, and that I do know of my history, (Hell my province was founded because my people fought the government) blah blah blah... But, I could care less if my character is white, or black, or Aboriginal, hispanic, etc.. infact one could argue the same thing the other way, about changing the main character from white to something else is a sort of political correctness racism... :S

I dunno small things like that have never entered my mind, I don't care about skin tone hair colour, facial features etc...

[psyco blade]

OXM(official xbox Magazine) gave The God Father bad reviews they said the customization was limited.I know to a lot of guys on this Forum they could care less about Race customization because Marcus is already reflecting there race. I'm not asking for a whole lot here-a simple darkening or lighting of the skin and some different hair textures-I'm sure it won't bring the engine to a grinding halt or take six months to implement.The only difference between most human beings is a skin tone and hair texture most of our noses and lips are shaped the same.The shear fact that this suggestion bothers people is similar to a person being pissed every time they use there Blue colored phone because they know someone out there is using the same model that's colored red-LOL
i have just 1 question are you a black or asian person or evnr white im sorry to say this this might be just a lil over board but...SHUT THE HELL UP IF YOU ARE WHIT WHY DOES IT EVEN MATTER ITS DIFFERENT IN MULTIPLAYER BUT IN THE STORY THE MAIN CHARECTUR IS MARCUS FENIX WHOU IS WHITE NO MARCUS FENIX WHO HAS THE POWERS TO TUN INTO ANY RACE HE WANTS. AND ALSO THIS IS MY 200TH POST!!!!!

[Soul]

i have just 1 question are you a black or asian person or evnr white im sorry to say this this might be just a lil over board but...SHUT THE HELL UP IF YOU ARE WHIT WHY DOES IT EVEN MATTER ITS DIFFERENT IN MULTIPLAYER BUT IN THE STORY THE MAIN CHARECTUR IS MARCUS FENIX WHOU IS WHITE NO MARCUS FENIX WHO HAS THE POWERS TO TUN INTO ANY RACE HE WANTS. AND ALSO THIS IS MY 200TH POST!!!!!

Calm down dude, it wont be your 200th post if a moderator deletes it.

Also, about the race thing, no need to make a big deal out of this, they probably have different racial bloods from one another, the complexion of your skin doesnt matter.

[1stPerson=MotionSickness]

I'm Latino and calm down Jim crow because Gamers come in all shades of colors not just blond hair and blue eyes.I care about ALL Human beings including those of European descent.As a Latin American I believe that ALL Gamers should have the right to choose what race they want to play in a video game.ALL means YOU too.Never feel threated when someone wants the right to choose-it's American as Apple Pie.

[Scoopable]

I think it's a small detail that jsut isn't that important. Well ok, it is important in order to "Connect" with your character, I am sure for online play you get to do this. But if games we're to get "Politically Correct" Parents looking for scapegoats wouldn't ahve anyone to point at... ;)

[1stPerson=MotionSickness]

Gears Of war already has Diversity in the game.The squad Marcus is with has men of different races.All they have to do is make ALL of the other squad members playable at the beginning of the single player game.Development time needed for this simple option-5 seconds.And before someone says "it'll ruin my game if I know someone else is not playing as the same race as me in single player"-Just don't go to anyone else's house and you'll never know what race they are playing as in single player.It's important because we owe it to ourselves to EVOLVE beyond 1 character choice during the single player experience -even in 3rd person shooters.

[Koric101]

Gears Of war already has Diversity in the game.The squad Marcus is with has men of different races.All they have to do is make ALL of the other squad members playable at the beginning of the single player game.Development time needed for this simple option-5 seconds.And before someone says "it'll ruin my game if I know someone else is not playing as the same race as me in single player"-Just don't go to anyone else's house and you'll never know what race they are playing as in single player.It's important because we owe it to ourselves to EVOLVE beyond 1 character choice during the single player experience -even in 3rd person shooters.

nothin against you, but if you need your game to be that way, then go make one. The game is up to the developers and this is the way they made it to interact with the story.

[Flak]

It's about time we close this one.