RO-Debrecen

[legacy-DeadManWalking]

Name: RO-Debrecen/Red Orchestra Mod
Author: Seanboy
Version: 001
Compatibility: UT2004 and Red Orchestra Mod
Description: Debrecen, Hungary, WW2, an objective based battle in a large destroyed city environment
Comments: Have Fun !!!
Screenshot:
http://www.bamitchell.com/SM_Debrecin01.jpg
http://www.bamitchell.com/SM_Debrecin02.jpg
Credits: Me, Myself and I
Homepage: www.redorchestramod.com
Download:Here (http://zdnet.com.com/Unreal-Tournament-2004-RO-Debrecen-map/3000-7453-10295029.html)

[legacy-Carbs]

This would be his fourth. He's just being a stupid little ****. He's trying to run away from all the bad karma he brought upon himself.

[legacy-TalonKarrde]

He's a good mapper. It's a good map.

Leave it at that.

There's no need for the bull that's been going on. He's being the bigger person by trying to get away from the issues. He's not forcing confrontation. You guys are.

[legacy-acc]

The bigger man makes one thread and if he gets confrontation, he accepts it, and moves on. He doesn't hang around and make thread after thread after thread. He's just trying to get the last word, and as has been proven with all the other people like him in the past, he won't get it. Not on this forum.

[legacy-TalonKarrde]

He wants to publicize his map. The others are being immature to continue on trying to change something to someone who obviously doesn't care. It's like punching a brick wall bare fisted.

[legacy-DeadManWalking]

Originally posted by Carbs
This would be his fourth. He's just being a stupid little ****. He's trying to run away from all the bad karma he brought upon himself.

Hey Carbs. I don't know you at all, yet you and some others continue to dish out mindless insults about a subject which you know absolutely nothing whatsoever about. WHY????What have I done to you and ACC personally to warrant this?

When you get a clue, come talk to me then, although, I highly doubt people of your lower I.Q are capable of decent communication. :bulb:


Thanks for kind words Talon. :)

[legacy-Fatal_Contagion]

:confused: ...What bad karma? anyone

[Discord]

LMAO, this again! :haha:





:rolleyes:





Hey you know, Seany, people are all the time saying how they need more Assault maps. Why don't you go make some of those? You could do it all by yourself, you'd keep out of trouble, it would give you something to do besides flogging this dead horse, and people would really dig it. :up:


Beyond that, all I can really say is... OLD. :p

[legacy-Jerry_Atrick]

This map is ownage. The best RO map available, much, much better than the maps that came with the mod imo. The size and detail of the level is amazing, top notch custom material. Too bad it was not able to be entered into the contest, it would have won something.

Hope to see more from you Seanboy, if you still map that is !!

:D

[legacy-seanboy]

Thanks for the praise Jerry, appreciate it :)

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black !

I see the Red Orchestra / Brothers In Arms Mapper, Algor (aka Dan, aka Pinky) is still a tad bitter for some reason, lol. Jealousy is a terrible thing. Get a life loser and try to act more professional, your only embarrasing the company you work for. Face it, your maps sucked noob and they always have.

[legacy-FizzyRB]

Thanks for the praise Jerry, appreciate it

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black !

I see the Red Orchestra / Brothers In Arms Mapper, Algor (aka Dan, aka Pinky) is still a tad bitter for some reason, lol. Jealousy is a terrible thing. Get a life loser and try to act more professional, your only embarrasing the company you work for. Face it, your maps sucked noob and they always have.

and this IS professional?


its a ****ing map, stop arguing, god damn

[legacy-|WOLF|Fibbis]

This map is good. It looks like it could be fun, now I just would like to try it with a lot of people online.

[Angel_Mapper]

Deja vu? :confused:

We really don't need to go through this again.

[legacy-Fatal_Contagion]

amen

[legacy-Rens2sea]

Did i miss something?:bulb:

[legacy-REMF]

no.

[legacy-seanboy]

*bump*

[Angel_Mapper]

Go away. If people aren't responding then they obviously aren't interested in the map, especially since this is the fourth thread about it. At least use one of your other accounts to bump your own thread.

[legacy-seanboy]

Who died and made you queen of the forums? :haha:

[legacy-Mr_Caravaggio]

Sometimes I visit a forum and I see these threads and it makes me wish I was majoring in psychology instead of art because god knows there's some kind of thesis that could be a clinical study of cases like this...

[Desp#2]

Originally posted by Mr_Caravaggio
Sometimes I visit a forum and I see these threads and it makes me wish I was majoring in psychology instead of art because god knows there's some kind of thesis that could be a clinical study of cases like this...

lol your right.

[legacy-UToliax]

Yo dude I uploaded your map I do not know anything about the immature people being a$$holes.

Especially angel_mapper all the threads I've read that he's posted in he tries to pull others down and make his maps seem better so I think I speak for all the mappers out there stfu angel_mapper and be nice do people be nasty towards you because your a transvestite?

NO!!!

Alot of people want to be mean towards you but they keep they're mouth shut because they are alot more mature.

You sicken me all of you what did this guy do? so what he made 4 threads about his map what's so bad about that? it's not the end of the world is it?

here is a link to your map buddy at least people are alot nicer there: http://unrealtournament2004.filefront.com/file/;30809

[legacy-NulEnvoid]

Can this thread be closed please, its just going to get out of hand.

[legacy-UToliax]

no don't close it I'm not here to start trouble leave the thread be if somehow you think my previous statement is wrongful message me and I'll edit it :)

[legacy-MozTS]

Let me tell ye a tale!


Once apon a time there was a Third reich for UT, and it had an awesome kingdom of devs, seanboy was the best mapper in all the land. He made pretty maps. Everyone loved him. Overtime, Seanboy starting to be more creative in his historical.... details. The peoples objected, but seanboy, refused, he claimed to be the greatest mapper in the world! (And there was some truth to that) Anyone the said his maps were wrong would be outcasted. Not even the king of TTR and all his knights could give concil to seanboy. THere was a great war and a rival kingdom of Red Orc offered Seanboy great wealth and power to become a mapper for them. Seanboy sick of the all the critisism took RO up on their offer. The RO kingdom was different from his native TTR, it was imperial, organized, disiplined. The Great wise Soviet leaders would give all other members of the devs orders and direction, it was a well oiled machine, but Seanboy was a philps head screw, while all of the RO were those crazy Japanise Star things that hold the gameboy together. They just weren't compatible. They bannished him forever for crimes which are still not publicly known.
Seanboy returned to his roots, TTR, but they refused him. Unless he would befall a spell, the mighty Curse of NDA. By signing it he would be forever bound to TTR, and would never be allowed to take any of his creations beyond its walls. He agreed. A new mapper that had taken his place Legalassasin objected, Seanboy was threatened by his rival, underminding everything he did. Since Seanboy could not take the official crown of TTR, he began to conspire against the leaders, changing the rules when they weren't looking, pushing around and attacking the weaker devs. Legalassasin and Seanboy where engaged in mortal combat. The Kings not wanting to unleash the wrath of seanboy took a neutral stance. This frustrated Legalassasin beyond belief. He Stormed the local archives and took all the evidence he could and left never to return. Bitter and scarred, seanboy continued to provoke and harrass, bully and corrupt.
The kings could not ignore theses crimes anymore, and banished Seanboy from the realm of TTR. The spell of the NDA somehow was broken and in one last act of asshattery, Seanboy took TTR's crown jewel (Debrecen) and tried to sell it to the enemy (RO) They being good and rightious, refused it, disowned it, and promised to swiftly and without mercy, punish those who attempt to download this creation. Though the jewel itself is created by Seanboy, it stopped being his when he signed the NDA. Since that day he's done nothing beyond fruitlessly provoke both TTR and RO, which, in a ironic twist of fate, has brough RO and TTR closer together as friends, once rivals, now they share much of the same player base.

Moral of the story: Seanboy is a douche. any punishment he gets is too good for him. Good mapper, horrible person.

I apologize for the spelling, I'm alittle tripped out on caffine right now.

[legacy-seanboy]

Thanks for that fairy tale MozTS aka Legal Assasin. :D God man, get a life, face it, your a terrible mapper. I really enjoy the parts where you you refer to Legal Assassin in the third party. Nice touch. LOL. Why do you continue to spout bull**** anyway, TTR is dead in the water.

a.) I never made any claims EVER that I was a great mapper.
b.) I was not fired from RO, I quit.


The Real Facts are, I made everything in that map and all the other maps and skins and decos for TTR for free. One Day, I get verbally attacked by some lowlifes (JR and his houdlims) , So naturally, I defend myself, then get fired for defending myself, then to top it off, they try and tell me everything I made (for free) does not belong to me anymore. LOL. If I had recieved money, I would of respected the agreement. You think I'm gonna let my material potentially make money for a bunch of guys who attacked and booted me (while I get nothing) for defending myself, dream on :haha:. But, TTR is totally dead now anyway, thanks to the TTR community of douchebags.

Moral of the story: MozTS, a.k.a Legal Assassin is a douchebag, no talent lowlife hacker, who fabricates stories under a pseudonym to make himself sound like an innocent, intelligent, noble, talented guy. When In reality, he is about as useless as tits on a bowl.

Thanks for posting that link UToliax.

[legacy-MozTS]

Little lessen, Uncle bob, this isn't legalassassin, legal has long since giving up trying to get you to **** off, and you still harassed him with angry emails and threats. This is Moz, or mosquito (someone registered both those names already)

I'll give you that legal is a bit of an *******, that doesn't change the fact you're a huge ****ing vagina who constantly provokes and insults everyone around you...


But whatever, people like you never change.

[legacy-seanboy]

a.) I don't know legals email address, never have, don't care to ever know

b.) never threatened him ever .

Get your facts straight.

[legacy-Ein Stein]

I played RO once ...... .... .......yep. Once.

Will this soap opera never end? By whinging about the map, it's only getting more publicity. I like the screenshots, but hate RO. So good job to seanboy aka whatever for the map. Maybe when I release my next map I'll dunk it in a bowl of controversy first and it'll be as popular.

[legacy-seanboy]

Originally posted by Ein Stein
Maybe when I release my next map I'll dunk it in a bowl of controversy first and it'll be as popular.

This is very true. :D There really is no such thing as bad publicity.

[legacy-Ducatisto]

http://www.volny.cz/oldgrandad/smilies/ranton.gif

Post reported.

MozTS, please read the forum rules:


Violations


If for any reason you don't follow these rules you'll probably get a warning for insubordination. You expect users to read about your mod but you don't read the rules.

If you receive a violation in this forum it is likely for one of the following reasons:




5. You posted off topic

6.You were being a jerk and not leaving constructive feedback


I believe you and others have fallen into the last 2 categories (myself now included regarding this post).

BACK ON TOPIC.

A well made map and needs the praise that it so rightly deserves if not only for the small contingent who will benefit from its visuals.


http://www.volny.cz/oldgrandad/smilies/rantoff.gif

[Angel_Mapper]

Originally posted by UToliax
Especially angel_mapper all the threads I've read that he's posted in he tries to pull others down and make his maps seem better so I think I speak for all the mappers out there stfu angel_mapper and be nice do people be nasty towards you because your a transvestite?[/url] Actually I'm one of the nicer mappers in the community (Yeah, being one of the Best Atari Forumer winners probably means nothing :p). I've said this again and again, I don't give compliments in map threads, those don't make the map better. And I don't like tools like seanboy hanging out in the community, I don't want his bad attitude infecting anyone else.

[legacy-barfwagon]

AMEN angel,

You're preaching to the choir over here.


Good crits are what I look for. If my map sucks then I want to know that it sucks and what sucks about it.

and maybe some pointers on what to do next time to fix the problem.



And angels maps are the r0xx0r. If you dont think so then you just dont get what custom maps are all about.

[legacy-Hugh Jass]

Amen Angel !

[legacy-seanboy]

Originally posted by Angel_Mapper
And I don't like tools like seanboy hanging out in the community, I don't want his bad attitude infecting anyone else.

...and this is a good attitude?

I'm merely posting my level like everyone else, your the person turning this into some kind of weird vendetta. I used to think you were professional, obviously I was spurious.

/me hands Angel_Mapper the fabled "Hypocrite of the Year" award

[Dario D.]

Originally posted by Angel_Mapper
I've said this again and again, I don't give compliments in map threads, those don't make the map better.

Compliments improve the life-expectancy of the mapper.

What's wrong with the belief in never giving compliments? If everyone did it, nobody would have ever received a single complimentary post or email in any of their threads, for any of their work - and these release forums would be vacant.

Whatever is seanboy's past at these forums I dont know... but I don't care. This is a map release thread, the map owns all, so I voted this thread 5 out of 5.

Compliments to a good mapper. I hope your future releases retain this same quality, and outstanding atmosphere.

[legacy-seanboy]

Thanks for kind words Dario D. :)

[Angel_Mapper]

Originally posted by Dario D.
Compliments improve the life-expectancy of the mapper.

What's wrong with the belief in never giving compliments? If everyone did it, nobody would have ever received a single complimentary post or email in any of their threads, for any of their work - and these release forums would be vacant. That's actually the problem I'm seeing on these forums, EVERYBODY compliments the hell out of even the worst looking maps, which doesn't really help anyone. I'm just trying to counterbalance that. :p

[legacy-EvilEngine]

Constructive critism is one thing, but giving a positive compliment is always a great motivater. I'm not talking going overboard or anything, but if I see something that someone did and it impressed the hell out of me, damn right I will give the guy/gal as many props as I feel they deserve.
Not everyone is a "MSUC winner", as that doesn't impress me much at all. But theres alot of newbies who have strengths in some areas and if giving them a boost with a comment helps them get better, so be it.
I know I would have given up all together on Unreal if nobody gave me a complimemt when I was just starting out, and didn't know the difference between a polygon and a pixel.

[NotoriousBIC]

Originally posted by Angel_Mapper
That's actually the problem I'm seeing on these forums, EVERYBODY compliments the hell out of even the worst looking maps, which doesn't really help anyone. I'm just trying to counterbalance that. :p

I'm sure it's meant as a bit of a joke (certainly considering the particular map), but I must agree with Dario D and EvilEngine.
I would like to add to their comments by saying that pointing out the good things in somebody's work is rather essential.
Without it you won't know what you have done right, it could've been accidental.
It's actually one of the base principles of process-management; Good points first and bad points second, cause removing the bad points from a product won't neccessarily result in a great product. Whereas expanding good things will certainly lead to one.

[Angel_Mapper]

Meh, just my way of doing things I guess. I remember awhile ago ZedMaestro posted his Hall Of Giants 2k4 map, and where everyone else was praising it, I ripped it a new one with things he could improve. Later he found me in IRC and thanked me for being the only one to post something useful, and has been in that channel ever since.

May not be the best way but it works for me. ^_^

[legacy-MozTS]

Yes, seanboy is completely innocent because he's only posted this map 4 times already, when I was release purely in do damage to another mod, yet people say he's the victim.

[legacy-seanboy]

You skipped english class in public school didn't you Moz?

/me hands Moz a quarter to call someone who cares (and can also interpret) :haha:

[legacy-Sestze]

Good work on the map, seanboy. I'm definately going to be popping skulls in it.

As for the bone that every mapper (and by every mapper I mean MozTs and AngelMapper) seems to pick with seanboy - noone cares. Not to say that seanboy, and whatever he did in the past, is right. Other than maybe a passing fancy or truly morbid curiosity, noone cares about that too.

Extricate your heads from the sand. Noone wants to hear your bleating about how A is a tool, or B is a horrible mapper. To a newbie sap like myself, you all look like a barrelfull of idiots to me.

So, in closing, Angel - get off your high horse. MozTs - get out of second grade, we don't care what the sordid past of the map's creator is. Your awkward bleating is damaging the integrity of the forums. Seanboy - Make more maps :).

By the way, I'd act the same way if someone poked their head out of the woodwork in one of your threads, Angel. If you were to make a map and subsequently release it, and someone was to start bleating about how "it was meant to damage x mod" or "it's a blatant rip of x", I'd probably come to your defense.

[legacy-Fatal_Contagion]

EVERYONE SHUTUP ALREADY!!! I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THE **** IS GOING ON HERE BUT I DON'T CARE!!! JUST SHUTUP!!! OKAY?!?!
sorry for that but im getting sick of this bs

[legacy-Wolv34ine]

This looks like a kind of map I will like, tight visuals and a solid theme. I have yet to play it and I am downloading it dow.
I try to grab as much community content as possible, good or bad and despite how many times it may I have beem posted as I feel it makes me a better mapper.

I personally missed the other times it had ben posted and am gratefull to the author for making this map as much as I am that he posted his work. Surely if he or she is breaking forum rules by posting his map more than once its for the admins to deal with. Not for the community that so greatly benefits from peoples hard work and skill. I see no need for the character assasination that seems to be going on. I admit I might not know the whole storey being a reasonably infrequent visitor of the forums now and so might be speaking a little out of turn. But I do feel that this is the place for members of the community to showcase their talent. If we stifle this or dont give feeback (hopefully constructive) we cut off the information, priase, accceptance or whatever it is that drives community members to take the time and dedication it takes to make something worthwhile for others to enjoy.

Now I am off to do what this forum allows. Enjoy the content the author has worked hard to produce, after all thats why it was posted....:)

[legacy-Brits_Hit]

This pointless (see: not useful) banter is ****ing pathetic.

[legacy-Algor]

Relax, and enjoy a cup of tea.

[legacy-mad_monkey]

Both the TTR team and the RO team has taken a stand against this leak. RO team has asked their community not to use or spread the map. Please respect both teams' wishes and do not play or spread this map.

This is all i have to say on the subject

[legacy-seanboy]

Thanks for bumping the thread mad_monkey !

Cheers

;)

[legacy-Ein Stein]

Hahaha, nice work. I love it how people resurrect a thread just to say "Don't look at this".... Does common sense not tell you anything?

[legacy-mad_monkey]

No, because monkeys dont have common sense, we just get the nits out of each others hair.