Osama Bin Llama - 2K4

[legacy-spineblaZe]

Osama Bin Llama
UT2K4 Final
Now with team colors and vehicle support. :up:

http://gra.midco.net/thenut/osama/osamax2.jpg
Primary Download Link (http://www.crushersplace.com/FFFWebsite/Downloads/UT2K4Stuff/Skins/osama2k4.zip)
Secondary Download Link (http://gra.midco.net/thenut/osama2k4.zip)

Play the Osama Bin Llama character for Unreal Tournament 2004, and partake in a bit of the ol' ultraviolence. The model contains 2,911 polygons with a 512x512 texture. It also includes custom animations to give you the "true" Osama experience. Make all your bots Osama Bin Llama, and experience the thrill and excitement of Osama Surround (TM).





CREDITS:

Player model and skins by femtogames.com

Thanks to Beta Testers:

spineblaZe
MixBlast

Thanks to www.crushersplace.com for hosting the download.

[legacy-Felerian]

mhh

[legacy-DimensionSeven]

Spectacular! Hilarious! Great! I love the animation on this!

Although you need a bit of bad taste to enjoy this model. :p

[Hsoolien]

Finaly someone will be able to catch him ;)

[legacy-NeoPhoenix]

He redid his Femto Alian too, but the gun goes through its body, and it looks funky :(

[legacy-CBA`ken]

rofl :)

[legacy-ZeroHour]

sorry but this is not funny. this ******* must be dead and dont have to be played on any game

[legacy-Spoony_Commie]

Oh noes ZeroHour! Have we offended your mild sensibillities and your feeling that this man must be slaughtered before being put to trial? For that I am sure even the maker of this model is the sad for.


*BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA*

[legacy--Twista-]

I like this one,it´s not even funny it´s also very good modeled and has good animations. :up:

[legacy-NeoPhoenix]

It's well made, but the only reason I would DL this is to kill him over and over again :p. Besides that I prefer Anime, hot chicks and monsters running around on my screen, so even if this wasn't modeled after a person I can't stand, I still wouldn't DL it. Just not my cup of tea..

Edit: besides I think the creator of this model made it to make fun of Osoma, and so people can frag it :p. I mean look at it? Clown shoes, what loos like a possible piss stain, and if i'm corect a donut hat. I even think it has a kick me sign on the back if I remember right :p.

[legacy-Mr Evil]

Most amusing. Any chance of a G W Bush model in the same vein? It would be gratifying to see the two of them blow each other up :)

[legacy-MixBlast]

That model is sooo cool :p I r using it all the time ^^

[legacy-Felerian]

Originally posted by MixBlast
That model is sooo cool :p I r using it all the time ^^

you are stupid as hell then....
everybody using a model like this and everybody using the name osama bin laden in game should be banned permanently from the game forever to prevent the community from the b.u.l.l.s.h.it.!!!

[Hsoolien]

Originally posted by Mr Evil
Most amusing. Any chance of a G W Bush model in the same vein? It would be gratifying to see the two of them blow each other up :)


I'd kill for a GW Bush model to kill ;)

[legacy--Twista-]

Originally posted by Felerian
you are stupid as hell then....
everybody using a model like this and everybody using the name osama bin laden in game should be banned permanently from the game forever to prevent the community from the b.u.l.l.s.h.it.!!! No.This model is made to make fun of osama.He walks the gheyest style I´ve ever seen and has a kick me sign on the back .

[legacy-ZeroHour]

This is all what i can say: OMFG

[legacy-MixBlast]

Originally posted by Felerian
you are stupid as hell then....
everybody using a model like this and everybody using the name osama bin laden in game should be banned permanently from the game forever to prevent the community from the b.u.l.l.s.h.it.!!!
a) Only ppl who have the custom model installed can see it
b) I use MixBlast as a name ingame :p
c) That model just looks fun, I totally disconnect it from the political BS that goes with it
d) Chill out :D

[legacy-apexad]

I saw this model for ut2003, it is hilarious, as you can see from the screenshot, he also pics his nose, lol! Great work!!

I agree with the rest of the people as well, a GW Bush model would go so well with this. A colon Powell one would too, otherwise some of the good 'ol standard soldiers work.

[legacy-Erebus]

And if we had a Tony Blair and Suddam Huessein model we can have Mid East Chronicles skin pack.

WHAT FUN!!!!111one

[legacy-Hedge_o_Matic]

Originally posted by Mr Evil
Most amusing. Any chance of a G W Bush model in the same vein? It would be gratifying to see the two of them blow each other up :)

I second that!

[legacy-Mr_Caravaggio]

What's that say on his head?

edt: double roll?

[legacy-MixBlast]

Originally posted by Mr_Caravaggio
What's that say on his head?
DOUBLE ROLL

And it says "kick me" on its back :p

[Angel_Mapper]

YAY! :haha:

I absolutely loved this model for 2k3, it was one of the few I downloaded. I just love the way he runs. :haha:

[PointlesS]

humm...if someone could make a bush...blair...saddam and a judge model you could make a political matinaee movie :p

[legacy-DimensionSeven]

Originally posted by Erebus
And if we had a Tony Blair and Suddam Huessein model we can have Mid East Chronicles skin pack.

WHAT FUN!!!!111one

There IS a Saddam skin out there, for Brock I think. It's good! :up:

[legacy-Fugly]

Originally posted by d-7
Spectacular! Hilarious! Great! I love the animation on this!

Although you need a bit of bad taste to enjoy this model. :p


you suck 4 a Magyar

[legacy-Erebus]

Originally Posted By PointlesS
humm...if someone could make a bush...blair...saddam and a judge model you could make a political matinaee movie

Movie eh?

I'm up for that!!! :haha:

[legacy-NeoPhoenix]

Know who I would love to see in game, to get a chance to frag ASHCROFT. since he wants to have an apocolips so bad so that he can see Jesus, why not put him in a game that will make both his wishes come true :p.

[legacy-BaymoJoe1563]

Originally posted by Hsoolien
Finaly someone will be able to catch him ;)
lol

[legacy-NeoPhoenix]

True dat ;). least we are able to do, what the millitary of the world could not :p.

[legacy-spineblaZe]

Hey, thanks for the great responses. I will make sure the auther (Femto) sees them.


I would just like to quote this from his web site:


The humor depicted in this model is NOT intended to demean any race or religion. It's sole purpose is to poke fun at a single individual. So, be nice online, and everyone will have a good game. It's all about having a fun time.


Roger that. :up:

[legacy-Revpolar]

Most amusing. Any chance of a G W Bush model in the same vein? It would be gratifying to see the two of them blow each other up
In the game very funny.
In real life not at all.
Leave everyone else outta this. This is a BinLaden thread. You can talk about how much you enjoy the others when there models come out.

[legacy-Mr Evil]

Originally posted by Erebus
And if we had a Tony Blair and Suddam Huessein model we can have Mid East Chronicles skin pack.

WHAT FUN!!!!111one
Oh yeah! Tony Blair could do with some flak to the face!

[legacy-motherTongue]

Originally posted by Felerian
everybody using a model like this and everybody using the name osama bin laden in game should be banned permanently from the game forever to prevent the community from the b.u.l.l.s.h.it.!!!

get a clue idiot. what's your motivation here? does osama get you hard? everytime you see him ingame you've got to let your mouse go to give your 'little terrorist' a bit of a stroke?

the rest of us here love to see him dead, dying or exploding. there's a ****in 'kick me' sign on his back retard. what does that tell you!!?

any propoganda that depicts him as weak, pathetic or comical is A-OK by me. he's a disgusting evil slug and needs to die painfully a thousand times over. pitty we're reserved to in-game.

[legacy-RoKyT]

Nice skin!!!

Only 1 of a few I actually downloaded in 2003!

Glad to see it made its way to 2004. Darn thing is hilarious!!! roflmao

[legacy-|WOLF|Fibbis]

Lol, d/ling thati s great. Now we just need a Saddam and Kim Jong II skin for all the axis of "evil"!

[legacy-compjarg]

if you do Bush, then you have to do Clinton and Monica to.

[legacy-Revpolar]

Bill and monica are has beens. But Hillary LMAO.

[legacy-717]

Now all we need is a Gorge Bush skin:rolleyes: then they can duck it out! This gives a new defanition to "nuke bin ladin!"

[legacy-Grimfort]

Originally posted by motherTongue
get a clue idiot. what's your motivation here? does osama get you hard? everytime you see him ingame you've got to let your mouse go to give your 'little terrorist' a bit of a stroke?

the rest of us here love to see him dead, dying or exploding. there's a ****in 'kick me' sign on his back retard. what does that tell you!!?

any propoganda that depicts him as weak, pathetic or comical is A-OK by me. he's a disgusting evil slug and needs to die painfully a thousand times over. pitty we're reserved to in-game.

And if some1 was to make a model of twin towers with arms and legs and built in aircraft, would you give the same response ?


btw: I dont care either way :) and the model is quite well made.

[legacy-motherTongue]

Originally posted by Grimfort
And if some1 was to make a model of twin towers with arms and legs and built in aircraft, would you give the same response ?

btw: I dont care either way :) and the model is quite well made.

er... is there some sort of counter-argument here? it would actually be quite ironic (and funny) if the WTC 0wn3d Osama's ass ;)

but yeah, this model rocks. animation and skinning is very well done. :) :)

[legacy-KalenDarrie]

Lovely. And yes, wee need Bush. And Blair and Sharon and Arafat and Chirac and every other major world leader who's been on the news recently. Don't forget Kerry and Cheney.

[legacy-FPSC_KviK]

http://www.fpscentral.com/index.php?game=5&site=news&id=5827

we're now hosting this model ;)

[legacy-Avius]

You could have an assualt map where you try and find him

[legacy-spineblaZe]

Originally posted by FPSC_KviK
http://www.fpscentral.com/index.php?game=5&site=news&id=5827

we're now hosting this model ;)


http://gra.midco.net/thenut/emoticons/cool.gif Thanks!!! :D:up:

[legacy-Super_Moose]

I can't say I like it but it is very well done. :up:

[legacy-I_RoBiN_I]

Originally posted by Brain Trepaning
Ya, but don't actually have him placed anywhere in the map, though, for realism's sake.

LOL!!!

btw, very well made!! Keep up the good work:up: :up: :up:

[legacy-Oreo]

I can't belive how long I avoided this thread. :haha:

[legacy-rulezzz]

putting it on our server and on bots tonight :D

kickass job lol

[legacy-plokiju]

What's your server name, I want to check it out. I just got cable last week, and I want to get back into MP gaming.

Hey spineblaze, thanks for pimping the model, you did a far better job than I could. You'll have to do my next model too :-)

Thanks for all the great feedback on the model (yes, even the negative ones). It was very entertaining to read. I don't recall ever getting this much hate posts last year when I did the 2003 version. I think politics is creeping into this, and people are reading too much into the model. It's just a game, and it's just a polygon model. FYI, I hate that stinking SOB, and I will never forget 9-11. He deserves to be brought down to size by ridicule and humor. Bullets and bombs work just as good, but I'll leave that to the professionals.

[legacy-Iceboy2003]

I like the model, the only contention is that the UPL file puts him in ThunderCrash...

He should get his own race/team IMHO.

[legacy-Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by Hsoolien
I'd kill for a GW Bush model to kill ;)

:rolleyes: :p :rolleyes: :p :bulb:

There is always one in a crowd........

Or more in some areas! :bulb: :bulb:


Freedom isn't free, Thank a Vet.
And the country He was from......


Tall Shadow
(AKA)
Wetspot

[legacy-Thesto Neroses]

Originally posted by Tall Shadow
:rolleyes: :p :rolleyes: :p :bulb:

There is always one in a crowd........

Or more in some areas! :bulb: :bulb:


Freedom isn't free, Thank a Vet.
And the country He was from......


Tall Shadow
(AKA)
Wetspot Yep, we gotta thank those lovely Soviets for making sure the Nazis didn't conquer the world in the 1940s.

Problem with a BushBot would be it would only have four moves:

1) Go AWOL while on duty

2) Strut around with a "Mission Accomplished" sign while people all around are still getting fragged.

3) Sit in a corner reading "My Pet Goat" until his team leader tells him to get moving.

4) Send airstrike after airstrike into the *wrong* map.

[legacy-Harsh_but_Fair]

My fellow Asparagus.

A Mr President model would be great, and so would be a Tony Blair Model- Fragmentation Fragmentation Fragmetation.

Harsh

[legacy-Erebus]

Originally posted by Harsh_but_Fair
My fellow Asparagus.

AH HA hA HA HA HA HA HA


:up: :up:

nice one man seriously nice

props.

[legacy-Thesto Neroses]

OK, even considering the behavioural and grammatical drawbacks, I would dearly love to have a model that would allow me to blow Chimpy McSmirk all the way back to Crawford, Texas.

Maybe a 1-on-1 deathmatch in DM-CBP2-KillBillyBarn would be appropriate.

[legacy-NeoPhoenix]

Problem with a BushBot would be it would only have four moves:

1) Go AWOL while on duty

2) Strut around with a "Mission Accomplished" sign while people all around are still getting fragged.

3) Sit in a corner reading "My Pet Goat" until his team leader tells him to get moving.

4) Send airstrike after airstrike into the *wrong* map.

LOL, so true. we could make him look like a little wooden pupet too, since it's more likely that his father and cabnet are controling most of his decisions :p.

[legacy-Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by Thesto Neroses
Yep, we gotta thank those lovely Soviets for making sure the Nazis didn't conquer the world in the 1940s.

Problem with a BushBot would be it would only have four moves:

1) Go AWOL while on duty

2) Strut around with a "Mission Accomplished" sign while people all around are still getting fragged.

3) Sit in a corner reading "My Pet Goat" until his team leader tells him to get moving.

4) Send airstrike after airstrike into the *wrong* map.

Hey the Reds kicked german A**!!!
With the help of wave after wave of "Cannon Fodder"(AKA "Volunteers") who were sent back, again, and again in to the enemy's lines. That, and a little Russian winter "fun", is what slowed/halted/reversed the germans. I wouldn't want to face ANY of the russian sinpers!

Your other comments, are lame......
Reaped from the same old liberal playbook, I guess it never changes......

1. There is no record of this ever happening.

2. The major fighting was over. Hell!, read about german resistance or japan after the war!! We were in both countrys for decades after the war! But I guess that wouldn't count...in your world.....

3. If YOUR president can "Do what he wants in his PRIVATE life", then What YOU do with YOUR pets is your own business.

4. Sorry!, that was "Der' Slickmiester",(AKA) "Slick Willy",(AKA) "BUBBA",(AKA) "Hitlery's B*t*h!"(AKA)"Hitlery's Beard".

This thread is about a skin for a game. Not for your liberal BS....

I'm suprised Mommy lets you play games with icky guns and stuff in it......Oh!, wait!..I forgot! She didn't want to "interfere" with you expressing yourself, so she leaves you alone....... :haha: :haha:



Tall Shadow

[legacy-Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by motherTongue
get a clue idiot. what's your motivation here? does osama get you hard? everytime you see him ingame you've got to let your mouse go to give your 'little terrorist' a bit of a stroke?

the rest of us here love to see him dead, dying or exploding. there's a ****in 'kick me' sign on his back retard. what does that tell you!!?

any propoganda that depicts him as weak, pathetic or comical is A-OK by me. he's a disgusting evil slug and needs to die painfully a thousand times over. pitty we're reserved to in-game.

:haha: :haha:

I Like the way this Guy thinks!!

Tall Shadow

[legacy-Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by NeoPhoenix
LOL, so true. we could make him look like a little wooden pupet too, since it's more likely that his father and cabnet are controling most of his decisions :p.

Yep, it sure is bad having a president that does what he says he will, instead of just flapping his gums/waiting for the poll results/ chasing more tail back home in Arkansas.

Yes, a man who has actual moral fortitude. The guts to do the right thing, instead of just saying he wants to.

People, in real life, when wars are fought, people die. This war is no exception. Before you ask, yes I do have family and friends in the armed forces, and two of them have been wounded. I am sure that what they are doing is the correct thing, and so are they.

Tall Shadow

[legacy-Thesto Neroses]

Originally posted by Tall Shadow
Hey the Reds kicked german A**!!!
With the help of wave after wave of "Cannon Fodder"(AKA "Volunteers") who were sent back, again, and again in to the enemy's lines. That, and a little Russian winter "fun", is what slowed/halted/reversed the germans. I wouldn't want to face ANY of the russian sinpers! I see you utterly missed the point. The fact that the Soviet soldiers and civilians were courageous and honorable in the face of slaughter is without question. They made admirable veterans.

The point was that, even though they were unarguably brave, there is no reason for us to support subsequent Soviet policies.

Therefore, the courage of US veterans is irrelevent when withholding support from Bush and his corrupt and malevolent cronies


Originally posted by Tall Shadow
Your other comments, are lame......
Reaped from the same old liberal playbook, I guess it never changes...... Do you even understand what the word "liberal" means?


Originally posted by Tall Shadow
1. There is no record of this ever happening.

Here's the story as generally agreed upon: In January 1968, with the Vietnam war in full swing, Bush was due to graduate from Yale. Knowing he'd soon be eligible for the draft, he took an air force officers' test hoping to secure a billet with the Texas Air National Guard, which would allow him to do his military service at home. Bush didn't do particularly well on the test--on the pilot aptitude section, he scored in the 25th percentile, the lowest possible passing grade. But Bush's father, George H.W., was then a U.S. congressman from Houston, and strings were pulled. The younger Bush vaulted to the head of a long waiting list--a year and a half long, by some estimates--and in May of '68 he was inducted into the guard.

By all accounts Bush was an excellent pilot, but apparently his enthusiasm cooled. In 1972, four years into his six-year guard commitment, he was asked to work for the campaign of Bush family friend Winton Blount, who was running for the U.S. Senate in Alabama. In May Bush requested a transfer to an Alabama Air National Guard unit with no planes and minimal duties. Bush's immediate superiors approved the transfer, but higher-ups said no. The matter was delayed for months. In August Bush missed his annual flight physical and was grounded. (Some have speculated that he was worried about failing a drug test--the Pentagon had instituted random screening in April.) In September he was ordered to report to a different unit of the Alabama guard, the 187th Tactical Reconnaissance Group in Montgomery. Bush says he did so, but his nominal superiors say they never saw the guy, there's no documentation he ever showed up, and not one of the six or seven hundred soldiers then in the unit has stepped forward to corroborate Bush's story.

After the November election Bush returned to Texas, but apparently didn't notify his old Texas guard unit for quite a while, if ever. The Boston Globe initially reported that he started putting in some serious duty time in May, June, and July of 1973 to make up for what he'd missed. But according to a piece in the New Republic, there's no evidence Bush did even that. Whatever the case, even though his superiors knew he'd blown off his duties, they never disciplined him. (No one's ever been shot at dawn for missing a weekend guard drill, but policy at the time was to put shirkers on active duty.) Indeed, when Bush decided to go to business school at Harvard in the fall of 1973, he requested and got an honorable discharge--eight months before his service was scheduled to end.

Bush's enemies say all this proves he was a cowardly deserter. Nonsense. He was a pampered rich kid who took advantage. Why wasn't he called on it in a serious way during the 2000 election? Probably because Democrats figured they'd get Clinton's draft-dodging thing thrown back at them. Not that it matters. If history judges Bush harshly--and it probably will--it won't be for screwing up as a young smart aleck, but for getting us into this damn fool war.
(http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030411.html)


Originally posted by Tall Shadow
2. The major fighting was over. Hell!, read about german resistance or japan after the war!! We were in both countrys for decades after the war! But I guess that wouldn't count...in your world..... There was no significant resistance fighting in either Germany after WWII. Check out a debunking of Condi Rice's and Don Rumsfeld's fabrications here. (http://slate.msn.com/id/2087768/)


Originally posted by Tall Shadow
3. If YOUR president can "Do what he wants in his PRIVATE life", then What YOU do with YOUR pets is your own business. I don't have a president. And what the "My Pet Goat" footage demonstrates is Bush's inability to act when presented with a great crisis. He failed his responsibility as executive.


Originally posted by Tall Shadow
4. Sorry!, that was "Der' Slickmiester",(AKA) "Slick Willy",(AKA) "BUBBA",(AKA) "Hitlery's B*t*h!"(AKA)"Hitlery's Beard". So, which of the airstrikes in Iraq killed Osama bin Laden? Let's see, how about "none of them". Face it, your boy Bush took his eye off the ball and let the terror mastermind go free for almost 3 years so far. That's nearly three years of freedom for Al Qaida to regroup and plot.


Originally posted by Tall Shadow
This thread is about a skin for a game. Not for your liberal BS....
Again, I would advise you to check your definition of "Liberal".


Originally posted by Tall Shadow
I'm suprised Mommy lets you play games with icky guns and stuff in it......Oh!, wait!..I forgot! She didn't want to "interfere" with you expressing yourself, so she leaves you alone....... :haha: :haha:



Tall Shadow I pwned you completely there, child. The flayed corpses of your assertions lie putrefying under the glare of my superior evidence.

[legacy-Thesto Neroses]

Originally posted by Tall Shadow

People, in real life, when wars are fought, people die. This war is no exception. Before you ask, yes I do have family and friends in the armed forces, and two of them have been wounded. I am sure that what they are doing is the correct thing, and so are they.

And I'm sure the Redcoats were sure they were doing the right thing in 1776.

Being sure doesn't make you right.

I have no objection to regime change. But I do object to inept regime change, and that is what the BoyMan Bush has wrought.

[legacy-Erebus]

Listen boys can we all asume that not evry one in this community is american and get back to the main topic. Jeez what a load of bs.

[legacy-Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by Thesto Neroses
I see you utterly missed the point. The fact that the Soviet soldiers and civilians were courageous and honorable in the face of slaughter is without question. They made admirable veterans.

The point was that, even though they were unarguably brave, there is no reason for us to support subsequent Soviet policies.

Therefore, the courage of US veterans is irrelevent when withholding support from Bush and his corrupt and malevolent cronies.

No the POINT IS that the russians didn't use military tattics. They Were ordered to pick up a gun and forced to charge, again and again at the germans. They had no choice.

Our armed forces ARE all voluntary, they made the CHOICE to be where they are. And every one I've talked to is proud to be there. They also support their President.




Do you even understand what the word "liberal" means?


Yes, unfortunatly most/all liberals do not.
Let us just say that what is TODAY discribed as Liberal.



URL Deleted for space.

I too can find articles to support My point of view..

Debunking The Bush AWOL Story - From The Horse's Mouth
Brig. Gen. Turnipseed | February 6, 2004 | Hon

I just got off the phone about an hour ago with Brig. Gen. William R. Turnipseed. He is the sole source for the four year old story that Bush was AWOL during his National Guard service.

Mr. Turnipseed is very unhappy with the way what he said "casually" four years ago has been twisted by the "Bush haters" (his words) in the media, especially the Boston Globe (who first reported the story) and the New York Times.

In a nutshell here is what happened, according to Turnipseed. Back in 1972 his Alabama National Guard unit received a letter from Bush (who was in the Texas Nation Guard) asking if he while he was in Alabama do some equivalancy training with the Alabama unit.

Turnipseed said that this request was as a matter of routine turned over to his administrative assistant, Lott, who wrote back to Bush, giving him the dates of the next unit drills. Lott told Bush he could report for those dates.

Neither Turnipseed nor Lott can now remember whether Bush appeared for these drills or not. Turnipseed says he himself might not have even been around the base at the time, so he wouldn't know one way or the other. And he says he has always said this.

The points Turnipseed wanted to stress are these: Bush was never ordered to report for duty to his unit. Since Bush was in the Texas National Guard and Turnipseed was in the Alabama National Guard, he couldn't have ordered him even if he had wanted to. But he didn't want to.

He (or his assistant, Lott) simply gave Bush the dates he could report if he wanted to do equivalency training with them. There were no orders given. If he showed up or didn't show up, it wasn't their concern.

Additionally, Turnipseed says that he never once said anything about Bush being "AWOL." He said it isn't even a term used in the National Guard. And anyway, as already noted, Bush's training record was not his concern, but the Texas National Guard's.

He said that since the Texas National Guard gave him an honorable discharge it shows that he fulfilled his training requirements.

Turnipseed said that the media has constantly misrepresented what he said and edited him so as to make Bush look bad.

He also said that he had no idea who Bush was, and that he certainly didn't do him any special favors. Nor would he have.

He said that when he first spoke to the Boston Globe reporter about this four years ago he didn't realize he was talking to a "Bush hater."

Turnipseed is a strong Bush supporter. He said that he has been contacted many times especially recently, by "Bush haters" in the media, who try to get him to say that Bush was AWOL. Once they realize that he won't cooperate they lose interest in talking to him. When they do quote him, they say he is backpedaling--even though he is still saying the same exact thing he told them four years ago.

He has been recently asked to go on with Peter Jennings and NBC's Dateline, but he is concerned that they will edit him in such a way as to misrepresent his story again. I have been in touch with Fox news, in hopes that they will have somebody talk to him and try to present his story fairly.

Bottom line, this whole AWOL story was media spin from the git-go. The Boston Globe reporter simply cherry picked Turnipseed's comments and totally misrepresented him--to make Bush look bad.

And the media are still doing it four years later. They should be ashamed--but they have no shame. They have only their agenda.




There was no significant resistance fighting in either Germany after WWII. Check out a debunking of Condi Rice's and Don Rumsfeld's fabrications

So I guess that that whole histroy channel show on the subject was just make beleve?



I don't have a president. And what the "My Pet Goat" footage demonstrates is Bush's inability to act when presented with a great crisis. He failed his responsibility as executive.

I see.... So all of the actions taken by the president & congress since 9/11 are inaction, yes I'm begining to see your point of view.......It must be hard to walk like that....




So, which of the airstrikes in Iraq killed Osama bin Laden? Let's see, how about "none of them". Face it, your boy Bush took his eye off the ball and let the terror mastermind go free for almost 3 years so far. That's nearly three years of freedom for Al Qaida to regroup and plot.

Ah!, I see! The first president to actualy be doing something, instead of just lobbing a few missiles, has "Dropped the ball', And I guess that WWII was a nice quick easy win with just light casualties too?



Again, I would advise you to check your definition of "Liberal".


Again, as I have said, I'm using what is commonly called Liberalism Today.



I pwned you completely there, child. The flayed corpses of your assertions lie putrefying under the glare of my superior evidence.


Child? Unless you were born sometime in the early 1950's you haven't a clue.

And Only Noobs TRY to use BS and talking points to prove their point. "I'm Rick James B*t*h!"

Tall Shadow

[legacy-Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by Erebus
[B
Listen boys can we all asume that not evry one in this community is american and get back to the main topic. Jeez what a load of bs. [/B]

Sorry Erebus! :D :rolleyes:
Just got to call BS! when i see or hear it.. :noob:

We are here have fun, but some stuff has to be answered.

I know that this is an international forum, but I just couldn't let it stand unchecked!
....It'd be like letting a noob nuke your powernode! :noob:



TTFN

Tall Shadow

[legacy-rulezzz]

ok WHAT THE HELL this ain't a politics forum someone plz clean this topic up :confused:

[legacy-Sp4m]

Thesto Neroses, dont even waste your time with this idiot.

[legacy-Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by Sp4m
Thesto Neroses, dont even waste your time with this idiot.

I love you Too! :p :heart:

Heaven forbid that someone shake your view of "the world"! :haha:

I guess we can agree to disagree. :noob:


I'm here to talk about UT2004.


Tall Shadow

[legacy-MadJackMcJock]

Originally posted by Brain Trepaning
Ya, but don't actually have him placed anywhere in the map, though, for realism's sake.

LOL

[legacy-Cyrin]

Originally posted by d-7
There IS a Saddam skin out there, for Brock I think. It's good! :up:

I did that, I also made a GWB skin off of the white dredlock guy, and Dicky_B did the main portion of the skin for Bushy. I tried one for Arafat but I couldn't find a big enough picture and the small one I had looked ugly. :(

I did the facehack on both. :)

http://img50.exs.cx/img50/5203/Bush.th.jpg (http://img50.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img50&image=Bush.jpg)
http://img33.exs.cx/img33/3912/Saddam1.th.jpg (http://img33.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img33&image=Saddam1.jpg)

I'll put the download in a new thread.

[legacy-[EZ]JDog]

Heaven forbid that someone shake your view of "the world"! :haha:

Oh please shut up.

[legacy-Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by [EZ]JDog
Oh please shut up.

:noob: Yes dear! :noob:

:rolleyes: Sorry Honey! :rolleyes:

:haha: KMA Baby! :haha:

Tall Shadow :p

[legacy-kingofstreet]

OMFG OMFG OMFG
arent this from postal 2?
umm wierd!

[legacy-Darth_Chaos]

Stop the political BS now! We all have our own political views and if you want to fight about make your vote count. And if you both are still bickering like a poor of old woman go online and see who owns who! This model is funny and no matter which side your own you don't want a murderer alive. Kerry may be a bit dull but a least he isn't a sailor like Cheney. Edwards may merely be in his spot as an image of energy but Bush isn't looking too hot. Settle this with your votes and your ownage my brothers and sisters. NOT WITH A BUNCH OF ****ING BICKERING!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Now to be on-topic, I look forward to a group of republican and democrat models/skins so that there can be political TDM,DOM,CTF and ONS. But I want me a Nixon skin most of all. That outa be fun ONS-Damnation(hope you got that joke).

[legacy-DeepDubTrauma]

ROFL

What has this thread become? Hehehe

Thx for hosting the model spine & thx to femto for updating the model for UT2k4. It rocks :tup:

[legacy-l87]

politics never solve anything

[legacy-Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by l87
politics never solve anything

At last! A reasonable Person!

Wars are not won By Paperwork or Politics. Wars are only won by Action/War. Until one side destroys the other side's ability/will to wage war, there can be no lasting peace.
Think about it, name Me a lasting peace in the last 150 years won without a war?.....

WW I Was not solved by Politics, but by Action/War.
WW II Was Not solved By Politics, but by Action/War.

Support Whomever you wish, just do it with a realistic point of view.


I still think the Osama/GWB/Etc. skins are cool!

Tall Shadow

[legacy-Digital_Burn]

Ha ha ha. Thats some funny stuff right there

[legacy-Fatal_Contagion]

Originally posted by Erebus
Listen boys can we all asume that not evry one in this community is american and get back to the main topic. Jeez what a load of bs.
i agree completely
im not american and as such i have th right to say that american government suck bush has no right to be in iraq and what he is doing there is stupid "duh lets free the iraqies by blowing them up" btw this is a model for a game not a political war so shut up with this political bull**** and grow up... god

[legacy-Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by Fatal_Contagion
i agree completely
im not american and as such i(DO NOT) have th right to say that american government suck bush has no right to be in iraq and what he is doing there is stupid

You are correct, You don't. :p


Originally posted by Fatal_Contagion
"duh lets free the iraqies by blowing them up" btw this is a model for a game not a political war so shut up with this political bull**** and grow up... god

Hum!? :bulb: I would say the standard "Gee!, maybe you should thank "Those damn war-mongering Americans" for being in a free enough world, to even have this debate!", but I'm sure I'd be wasting My breath.

Enjoy Your freedom & You're Welcome! :rolleyes:

Tall Shadow

[legacy-BloodShed]

ooh im gona have fun droping a levi on Osama :D:D

[legacy-Flamming_Python]

Oi listen "Tall Shadow", WTF do you know about Soviet military tactics. All you do is read your sad little pieces of properganda and watch films like Enemy at The Gates, failing to realise that it's a movie about ONE battle. You think that the war was won by Russia just by sending waves and waves of men at the enemy lines? Russia didn't have that much numerical supremecy you know... Of course some stuff did happen like that and the Soviet military did suffer a lot of casualties at such events, however the German army also suffered a similar number of casualties to Russia in that battle. And since we all heard how well trained the German army is, the Russian army must have used some fairly sneaky tactics to win Stalingrad hmmm....?

A lot of countries have volunteer militaries (e.g. Most European countires), so don't think that your country is unique or something like that.

[legacy-Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by Flamming_Python
Oi listen "Tall Shadow", WTF do you know about Soviet military tactics. All you do is read your sad little pieces of properganda and watch films like Enemy at The Gates, failing to realise that it's a movie about ONE battle.

I do watch movies, but I do not base My understanding of world events on them. The movie you mention was >ANYTHING< but factual, even tho' it had a little basis in a true event.

I base >MY< views on the people accounts of who were there, both Russian & German. Some of whom I've talked to personally, some of whom I've read accounts from. The only other source I'd trust would be noted historians or wittiness's accounts.

Call this propaganda if you wish.


Originally posted by Flamming_Python
You think that the war was won by Russia just by sending waves and waves of men at the enemy lines? Russia didn't have that much numerical supremecy you know...

No, I think that Stalin sending wave after wave of Men at the Germans, (Conscripts) had a >LARGE< affect on the outcome of the war. I also think that the Russian weather & Our bombing their factories, were a huge factor in Germany's defeat there. The Russian armaments/tactics were not as effective as the German's were. As shown buy the huge early German victory's. The Germans were only stopped but the combined Weather & Waves of people being thrown at them. While the Russians did have some very effective weapons (More so later in the war), the numerical advantage + the Russian weather were the primary things that won the war for them/us.




Originally posted by Flamming_Python
Of course some stuff did happen like that and the Soviet military did suffer a lot of casualties at such events, however the German army also suffered a similar number of casualties to Russia in that battle. And since we all heard how well trained the German army is, the Russian army must have used some fairly sneaky tactics to win Stalingrad hmmm....?

Stalingrad was the "Make or Break" battle for the Russians. Stalin through everything & anything there was at the Germans there. Had they broken through and secured the nearby oil reserves, the war might have gone TOTALLY the other way. The Germans were also feeling the effects of their supply lines being stretched thin. Not to mention Stalin moving the Russian factories out of German bomber ranges, and the Americans supplies flowing in to the country.



Originally posted by Flamming_Python
A lot of countries have volunteer militaries (e.g. Most European countires), so don't think that your country is unique or something like that.

I don't think that. What I was referring to was that Our people are serving in our military because they choose to be. Unlike >Some< countries people whom are >Required< to join their military.

It's funny how many people around the world decry the USA or it's military, yet We are the first ones called on ( :cry: With hands out :cry: ) to come to Their aid when disaster strikes. Yet few, if any are refused. Yep!, We are really the devils of the world! :rolleyes:

Tall Shadow

[legacy-Flamming_Python]

Okay maybe I was somewhat hesistant in making those comments about your selection of historical knowledge. However, you replied to my post not with knowledge of tactics, but of various strategies that the Soviets and Americans used. Very different things... I don't really want to have an extended arguement about this... so let's leave it at that.

One thing I don't get... In defence of Bush people always say that "He makes decisions and acts upon them", "Or he has the courage to do what's right...", or some similar rubbish. I would like to know just how many examples you have of him doing so. Oh yes, he attacked Afghanistan, and then Iraq (despite no evidence tying Iraq to Al-Quaeda). Yeah, real crusade of the righteous that one was...

Who needs the U.S military? Not my country thats for sure!

[legacy-Erebus]

ach what happened!!!

this skin posting turned political rant was all but dead.

I still thanky you both very much to have an informed opinion...yet as i said earlier not everyone cares for this, or it does not concern them. YEt by all means do not let me deter you at all.... this is getting fun again.

[legacy-Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by Flamming_Python
Okay maybe I was somewhat hesistant in making those comments about your selection of historical knowledge. However, you replied to my post not with knowledge of tactics, but of various strategies that the Soviets and Americans used. Very different things...

Humm... so,You were somewhat "Hesitant"?
Let me remind you with a little quote of YOUR's...

"Oi listen "Tall Shadow", WTF do you know about Soviet military tactics. All you do is read your sad little pieces of properganda and watch films like Enemy at The Gates, failing to realise that it's a movie about ONE battle. You think that the war was won by Russia just by sending waves and waves of men at the enemy lines? Russia didn't have that much numerical supremecy you know..."

I wouldn't call that "Being Hesitant"!

I'd also say that having talked to people who WERE THERE, on both the German and Russian sides, Spoken to researchers who 's main point of research hase been "The Great Patriotic War" or "the War on the Russian front", I've got more than a fair grasp of what the tatics on both sides were.



Originally posted by Flamming_Python
I don't really want to have an extended arguement about this... so let's leave it at that.

That's fine, But I would suggest that you think a little >BEFORE< you go and tell people(Whom you've never met) on the internet, what they do, or do not know about.


Originally posted by Flamming_Python
One thing I don't get... In defence of Bush people always say that "He makes decisions and acts upon them", "Or he has the courage to do what's right...", or some similar rubbish. I would like to know just how many examples you have of him doing so. Oh yes, he attacked Afghanistan, and then Iraq (despite no evidence tying Iraq to Al-Quaeda). Yeah, real crusade of the righteous that one was...

:weird:
Let's see....

Al-Quaeda training camps found in Iraq & Afghanistan...Check

Al-Quaeda Personnel found in Iraq & Afghanistan...Check

Al-Quaeda documentation found in Iraq & Afghanistan...Check

Al-Quaeda weapons cashes found in Iraq & Afghanistan...Check

Al-Quaeda computer information found in Iraq & Afghanistan...Check

Sadam paying $25,000 to the families of Al-Quaeda "Martyrs" for their services.

Yes, I guess that you have shown that there has been no connection shown to them. :bulb:

I tend to go with the old saying "If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, looks like a duck, and smells like a duck, chances are......It's a duck!"



Originally posted by Flamming_Python
Who needs the U.S military? Not my country thats for sure!

Well unless you are in china(and even them in WWII too), or a country that is so small as not to be worth stopping in/at, I'd say you are free now because of the sacrifice of My forefathers & Their allies. Thinking otherwise is not only foolish, it's just plain wrong.

Like Us, or hate Us... It's fact.

Rock On,
Tall Shadow

[legacy-Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by Erebus
ach what happened!!!

this skin posting turned political rant was all but dead.

I still thanky you both very much to have an informed opinion...yet as i said earlier not everyone cares for this, or it does not concern them. YEt by all means do not let me deter you at all.... this is getting fun again.

I'm sorry to have to keep showing these people up on their own words, but It's got to be said. There is too much BS being spread about the what/why/when of this war.

It's not hard to punch holes in the whole "Bush/USA is/are the Devil!" crap that these people spew.

I always have fun watching them so p-off that they can't even type anymore. :haha:

ONS Is the best!
Tall Shadow

[legacy-Flamming_Python]

I meant "hasty", not "hesitant"... sorta blundered a bit there didn't I?

What Al-Quaeda training camps in Iraq? Where?

I happen to be Russian, hence me getting so worked up about you saying that the only way we won the war is by sending waves and waves of men until the enemy ran out of bullets (you didn't say exactly that, but you sure implied it).

Yeah you provided some aid during WWII, so thanks for that. However, I would probably class the lend-lease as "Helpful", but not "War Winning". As for France and Japan... we would have got there eventually...

Apart from that the U.S has been nothing but a hinderence for Russia at all stages of history...

[legacy-hellfirexq]

Originally posted by Tall Shadow

im not american and as such i(DO NOT) have th right to say that american government suck bush has no right to be in iraq and what he is doing there is stupid
You are correct, You don't. :p
Actually, when a government starts killing innocents in countries outside their jurisdiction, you absolutely have the right to criticize.




Hum!? :bulb: I would say the standard "Gee!, maybe you should thank "Those damn war-mongering Americans" for being in a free enough world, to even have this debate!", but I'm sure I'd be wasting My breath.

Enjoy Your freedom & You're Welcome! :rolleyes:

Tall Shadow
Unless attacking nations to steal their oil is your idea of freedom, you have been completely brainwashed. And how can you say you've given the world freedom when your own country isn't even free? If you dispute this, you need to do some reading.


Yes, a man who has actual moral fortitude. The guts to do the right thing, instead of just saying he wants to.
Killing people is NEVER the right thing to do. NEVER. Have you no compassion? Do you not understand the suffering your government has unnecessarily put people through? Both Americans and Iraqis?

[legacy-hellfirexq]

Inform yourself -http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=557746

My favourite quotes from the article:


5 Number of years the Bush administration said in 2003 that global warming must be further studied before substantive action could be taken.
5 years eh? A convienent number for his administration, it will be over when 'action must be taken'.


52 Percentage of votes cast during the 2002 midterm elections that were recorded by Election Systems & Software, the largest voting-technology firm, a big Republican donor.

29 Percentage of votes that will be cast via computer voting machines that don't produce a paper record.
Funny, I thought all this time America was a democracy.


0 Number of minutes that President Bush, Vice-President Dick Cheney, the Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, the assistant Defence Secretary, Paul Wolfowitz, the former chairman of the Defence Policy Board, Richard Perle, and the White House Chief of Staff, Karl Rove _ the main proponents of the war in Iraq _served in combat (combined).
It's easy to send people off to war when you don't realize the horror of it.

[legacy-Gez]

Originally posted by hellfirexq

It's easy to send people off to war when you don't realize the horror of it.

yeah you right

[legacy-Fatal_Contagion]

Originally posted by Tall Shadow
You are correct, You don't. :p



Hum!? :bulb: I would say the standard "Gee!, maybe you should thank "Those damn war-mongering Americans" for being in a free enough world, to even have this debate!", but I'm sure I'd be wasting My breath.

Enjoy Your freedom & You're Welcome! :rolleyes:

Tall Shadow

I DO and the americans didnt give me my freedom my ansestors earned it instead of taking it by force you traitors

[legacy-Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by hellfirexq
You are correct, You don't. :p
Actually, when a government starts killing innocents in countries outside their jurisdiction, you absolutely have the right to criticize.


I would hardly call all of those killed "Innocents" at all. Their record of specifically targeting women and children & the really innocent, has few equals in history.


Originally posted by hellfirexq
Unless attacking nations to steal their oil is your idea of freedom, you have been completely brainwashed. And how can you say you've given the world freedom when your own country isn't even free? If you dispute this, you need to do some reading.


Please! :rolleyes:
The "No Blood For Oil" B***-S*** is such a stupid aguement on so many levels it's almost laughable. I still have to pay for My fuel the same as anyone else. I see no evidence of my "Free Oil" comming any time in the near future. I guess the whole U.N. "Anything for Oil" scandal is more proof of how good of a job they are doing as the worlds "Goverment & Peace Protectors"?

As far as freedom here I work, live, and travel this country regularly. I have never seen or heard about mass graves of political opponents or tourture camps anywhere in My country. I only see the free people of North and south America, Europe, Taiwan, Australia, and much of the rest of the world. Are there things I'd like to change? sure, but I've seen/been to the rest of the world, and I'll stay right here...Thankyouverymuch!


Originally posted by hellfirexq
Killing people is NEVER the right thing to do. NEVER. Have you no compassion? Do you not understand the suffering your government has unnecessarily put people through? Both Americans and Iraqis?
WRONG!

There are defiantly times when certain people must be taken out by any means necessary. Sometimes this means going to war. We always try to find a diplomatic means of resolution. It is not always successfully. Without order there is chaos, someone has to provide the means to enforce/restore order. Otherwise why have laws?, police?, order? What is the point?

Lasting peace and Wars are not won at the peace table, never has happened, never will happen. Wars and lasting peace is/are ONLY won when one side defeats the other to a point where they lose the ability, and/or the will to fight anymore. Follow history, I have, it's written there, time after time.

Compassion is something that We provide throughout the world, at GREAT cost in terms of lives & Capital. We are the First (and in many cases the ONLY) ones who are called when disaster strikes. We take great strides to use "precision" munitions when waging war. War is death, plain and simple. People die in war (thats the whole idea,Duh!) We simply to not actively target "non-combatants". Do innocent people die in war? Yes, they do. Does it mean that we should never go to war, no, it does not.

Tall Shadow

[legacy-Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by Flamming_Python
I meant "hasty", not "hesitant"... sorta blundered a bit there didn't I?

No problem. No harm, no foul.


Originally posted by Flamming_Python
What Al-Quaeda training camps in Iraq? Where?

At least 3 that I know of. I will see if I still have the reports/Pictures. As for where, one set up for training on large commercial airliner assaults, just outside of Baghdad. There are two more that I have seen pictures/reports of that are/were in the northern cities/countryside.


Originally posted by Flamming_Python
I happen to be Russian, hence me getting so worked up about you saying that the only way we won the war is by sending waves and waves of men until the enemy ran out of bullets (you didn't say exactly that, but you sure implied it).

On the contrary, I think the Russian people and officers were among the best fighters of the war! I am a HUGE fan of their fighting spirit, ingenuity, and determination! I think their strength is what won the war on their side!!

I just think Stalin was not a very good straitest, and that he needlessly sent many into sometimes un-winnable battles, foolishly.


Originally posted by Flamming_Python
Yeah you provided some aid during WWII, so thanks for that. However, I would probably class the lend-lease as "Helpful", but not "War Winning". As for France and Japan... we would have got there eventually...

You are welcome!
I agree that we did not "Win the war" for you. But we gave you some of the means to keep up the fight with Germany, until you could do it all your self. Many of the weapons that were produced in Russia, I think, were ground breaking in their design.


Originally posted by Flamming_Python
Apart from that the U.S has been nothing but a hinderence for Russia at all stages of history...

Well.....I'd say we can agree to disagree on that one. I have never had any argument with the Russian people. I find them to be, as most people in the world are, people who are just trying to live their lives as best they can. I did/do have an argument with communism/socialism in part, and as a whole. Our Representative democracy is not a perfect system, but I don't see a perfect system working in this, an imperfect world.

Tall Shadow

[legacy-Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by Fatal_Contagion
I DO and the americans didnt give me my freedom my ansestors earned it instead of taking it by force you traitors

They "Earned" it?
At what "Cost"?

Freedom is NOT free.
If they earned it, they took it by force, from those who had taken it from them, not with Cash$$$$!

How am I a traitor????

Tall Shadow

[legacy-Fatal_Contagion]

not you im not blaming you for something your great great great great great grandfather did

and we earned it from the british empire for good service to the crown not with money thank you very much...
freedom seems pretty free up here lets see no deaths or wars yep alls well in canada

edit: well not entirely we did have to fight a couple of world wars but meh we did agree to go

[legacy-Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by Fatal_Contagion
not you im not blaming you for something your great great great great great grandfather did

My father, uncle, and grandfather are the ones of whom I was speaking. Although, I do have relatives, that I know of, who's service reaches back to the early days of Europe's arrival on this side of the water.


Originally posted by Fatal_Contagion
and we earned it from the british empire for good service to the crown not with money thank you very much...

:rolleyes:
The "cost" I was/am talking about has nothing to do with money!
The "cost" of freedom I was/am talking about is the cost in lives.

Or to paraphrase:
"The tree of freedom needs to be fed with the blood of tyrants and patriots from time to time."

I was speaking of the fine men and women that have put their lives in harms way for Our freedom. Both sides of My family are tied to Both sides of the USA/Canada border. Both of my grandmothers are from Canada, so I AM talking about Our Forefathers service and sacrifice for OUR freedom. Many of Our people gave their lives for the freedom Many people take for granted( all too often) today.



Originally posted by Fatal_Contagion
freedom seems pretty free up here lets see no deaths or wars yep alls well in Canada

:rolleyes:
It always amazes me how nonchalant people in Canada can be about what is going on in the world, all around them. "I don't know why the USA is always doing ________! It's not like its that big of a deal or something! Its always easy to "Sit it out" when the people "Next door" always clean up the neighborhood for you.

It's not like we could "Sit it out" and let Canada's armed forces do the work, there just isn't enough of them to do so, even if their government were willing to even lift a finger to help.



Originally posted by Fatal_Contagion
edit: well not entirely we did have to fight a couple of world wars but meh we did agree to go

Gee! :noob: How wonderful of you guys to fit the struggle to defeat fascism in the world, into your busy schedule! ;)

I'm guessing that you might not be that old (I could be wrong). I sometimes worry about what the future may have in store for Our two country's(or the rest of the world) if people don't relearn some of history's hard life lessons.

Tall Shadow

[Angel_Mapper]

Please take this somewhere else. This is a gaming forum ffs.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=political+forums&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t&cop=mss&tab=

[legacy-DeepDubTrauma]

What AM said.

TAKE THE POLITICAL BS ELSEWHERE !!!

Jeebus spineblaZe, you smarmy bastid... look what you started! :haha:

[legacy-Fatal_Contagion]

Originally posted by Tall Shadow
My father, uncle, and grandfather are the ones of whom I was speaking. Although, I do have relatives, that I know of, who's service reaches back to the early days of Europe's arrival on this side of the water.



:rolleyes:
The "cost" I was/am talking about has nothing to do with money!
The "cost" of freedom I was/am talking about is the cost in lives.

Or to paraphrase:
"The tree of freedom needs to be fed with the blood of tyrants and patriots from time to time."

I was speaking of the fine men and women that have put their lives in harms way for Our freedom. Both sides of My family are tied to Both sides of the USA/Canada border. Both of my grandmothers are from Canada, so I AM talking about Our Forefathers service and sacrifice for OUR freedom. Many of Our people gave their lives for the freedom Many people take for granted( all too often) today.




:rolleyes:
It always amazes me how nonchalant people in Canada can be about what is going on in the world, all around them. "I don't know why the USA is always doing ________! It's not like its that big of a deal or something! Its always easy to "Sit it out" when the people "Next door" always clean up the neighborhood for you.

It's not like we could "Sit it out" and let Canada's armed forces do the work, there just isn't enough of them to do so, even if their government were willing to even lift a finger to help.




Gee! :noob: How wonderful of you guys to fit the struggle to defeat fascism in the world, into your busy schedule! ;)

I'm guessing that you might not be that old (I could be wrong). I sometimes worry about what the future may have in store for Our two country's(or the rest of the world) if people don't relearn some of history's hard life lessons.

Tall Shadow


oi vah!

hell. im not going to argue with you. I mean its not like WE attacked YOU twice. more like YOU attacked US twice... meh


and I DO know about the two world wars in fact back then WE seemed alot more eager than you

[legacy-UT77]

Originally posted by spineblaZe
Osama Bin Llama
UT2K4 Final

Now with team colors and vehicle support. :up:

http://gra.midco.net/thenut/osama/osamax2.jpg
Primary Download Link (http://www.crushersplace.com/FFFWebsite/Downloads/UT2K4Stuff/Skins/osama2k4.zip)
Secondary Download Link (http://gra.midco.net/thenut/osama2k4.zip)

Play the Osama Bin Llama character for Unreal Tournament 2004, and partake in a bit of the ol' ultraviolence. The model contains 2,911 polygons with a 512x512 texture. It also includes custom animations to give you the "true" Osama experience. Make all your bots Osama Bin Llama, and experience the thrill and excitement of Osama Surround (TM).


Nice work




CREDITS:

Player model and skins by femtogames.com

Thanks to Beta Testers:

spineblaZe
MixBlast

Thanks to www.crushersplace.com for hosting the download. :up:

[legacy-Zoey Freak]

:) Interesting…

[legacy-Dash 9]

Alll I see here is a funny and well made model. I've seen it running around in a couple of maps and it made me laugh every time. Good work!

[Dario D.]

Originally posted by Tall Shadow
Yep, it sure is bad having a president that does what he says he will, instead of just flapping his gums/waiting for the poll results/ chasing more tail back home in Arkansas.

Yes, a man who has actual moral fortitude. The guts to do the right thing, instead of just saying he wants to.

People, in real life, when wars are fought, people die. This war is no exception. Before you ask, yes I do have family and friends in the armed forces, and two of them have been wounded. I am sure that what they are doing is the correct thing, and so are they.

Tall Shadow

Ownage :) :up:.

Bush is a President who actually DOES stuff. How often do you get a president who doesn't just sit around and sign papers?

He's not afraid to DO things. Kerry on the other hand... "We could have captured Osama through diplomatic means, without war."

BWAHHHHAAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!1

You think MORE diplomacy and tall-talk is actually gonna get that sneaky SOB caught?

Bush knows the truth about them: if you leave them alone, they will grow... and they will attack you until they've killed us all. Kerry's method of finding Osama is one that will get us all detonated before a single terrorist is caught.

It's the way these things work: If you leave them alone, they will grow, and attack.... again and again and again.

Thanks to Bush, they haven't been able to muster what it takes to do anything else. Imagine they're attack plans if there weren't a single American there today. They'd have us figured and owned.

This war against terrorists and all possible threats is a SPECTACULAR, EPIC way to uproot evil by it's NUTS!:up: Have a cause to fight for? STFU Kerry, you pencil-pusher: BLAST THEIR ASSES, and you'll have grandchildren to be able to tell why there aren't any more problems like that in the world!

The Osama model pwns.

[legacy-NulEnvoid]

Originally posted by Dario D.
Ownage :) :up:.

Bush is a President who actually DOES stuff. How often do you get a president who doesn't just sit around and sign papers?

He's not afraid to DO things. Kerry on the other hand... "We could have captured Osama through diplomatic means, without war."

BWAHHHHAAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!1

You think MORE diplomacy and tall-talk is actually gonna get that sneaky SOB caught?

Bush knows the truth about them: if you leave them alone, they will grow... and they will attack you until they've killed us all. Kerry's method of finding Osama is one that will get us all detonated before a single terrorist is caught.

It's the way these things work: If you leave them alone, they will grow, and attack.... again and again and again.

Thanks to Bush, they haven't been able to muster what it takes to do anything else. Imagine they're attack plans if there weren't a single American there today. They'd have us figured and owned.

This war against terrorists and all possible threats is a SPECTACULAR, EPIC way to uproot evil by it's NUTS!:up: Have a cause to fight for? STFU Kerry, you pencil-pusher: BLAST THEIR ASSES, and you'll have grandchildren to be able to tell why there aren't any more problems like that in the world!


Not meaning disrespect Dario, but you need to research a little more. Go search for some pictures at least, then re-read your post.

If you want help finding stuff, just ask. If you're still proud of Bush after that I'd be very surprised. There were better options, going gung-ho was ignorant and stupid.

[Dario D.]

Go search to find what? Opinions, among opinions, among opions of both sides of the argument?

If there is one thing the past has taught us, it's that violence is the only way to stop Middle-Eastern militants. They don't budge a centimeter, and laugh heartily at our petty propositions to "give up arms" or whatever - anything but war itself,... they blow up our buildings while we have confrences and negotiations, unless and until we just get up and shoot them, blow they're camps to the ground, kill their leaders, bomb their hideouts, and leave them with nothing to use against us.

Want diplomacy? Want to try talking to them? Want "more of the same"? Vote for Kerry. It would take Kerry 20 terms to finally kill Osama. When he finally dies, it would be from old age, in his summer home atop where the White House used to be.

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Back to business; the animations on that Osama model are teh gayness! Just like him too. :up:

[legacy-NulEnvoid]

Dario, I won't be voting for anyone... I live in NZ.

I could write a thesis here but theres not a lot of point, if you don't want to research for yourself then nobody can force you. Osama and Bush are as pathetic as one another in my book.

Lets just say we'll agree to disagree.

[legacy-Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by NulEnvoid
Dario, I won't be voting for anyone... I live in NZ.

Well!, then WTF do We care about your opinion?
We don't.
If you want to sit on you hands while the world "Explodes" around you, with the rest of the "the UN is the greatest" crowd, so be it.


Originally posted by NulEnvoid
I could write a thesis here but theres not a lot of point, if you don't want to research for yourself then nobody can force you.

I've done the research, seen the results, talked to people on BOTH sides, been there, done that, got the t shirt. I've done mine, what have you done for your's?

Peace, lasting peace, IS NOT WON BY NEGOTIATING!
Lasting peace is ONLY won by one side destroying the opposition's ability to fight. Only then can true peace be made. Show me a lasting peace won by peace negotiations.

Write a thesis on that Skippy.....


Originally posted by NulEnvoid
Osama and Bush are as pathetic as one another in my book.

That is by far one of, if not the stupidest statements I have ever had the displeasure to read.

To even suggest that President Bush, leader of the most charitable country in the world, is remotely similar to Osama Bin Laden, a Terrorist leader who routinely orders non-combatants (Read women and children) to be Murdered, is so far off base, I suggest you seek out a good mental heath doctor. You are "Not Right" in the head! :noob:




Originally posted by NulEnvoid
Lets just say we'll agree to disagree.

If Your opinion is that Fighting terrorists=purposely killing innocent people, then YES! We most definitely do disagree!

Tall Shadow
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The Osama skin is Very good! and Funny!!!

[legacy-NulEnvoid]

Originally posted by Tall Shadow
Well!, then WTF do We care about your opinion?
We don't.
If you want to sit on you hands while the world "Explodes" around you, with the rest of the "the UN is the greatest" crowd, so be it.

I've done the research, seen the results, talked to people on BOTH sides, been there, done that, got the t shirt. I've done mine, what have you done for your's?

Well, if you'd done your research you would know NZ & many other countries had soldiers in Iraq in an attempt to help with the mess Bush created. Its a global event, it drags the rest of the world into it without consideration for how other countries are affected by its fallout.


Peace, lasting peace, IS NOT WON BY NEGOTIATING!
Lasting peace is ONLY won by one side destroying the opposition's ability to fight. Only then can true peace be made. Show me a lasting peace won by peace negotiations.

Write a thesis on that Skippy.....

Skippy? You really are a tower of global knowledge aren't you. We don't have Kangaroos here but in light of you researched ignorance I should expect a statement like that, nice burn!

As for the blah on negotiating, where once did I say that? Please try not to pull arguements out of your arse in an attempt to back up your idiocy.


That is by far one of, if not the stupidest statements I have ever had the displeasure to read.

To even suggest that President Bush, leader of the most charitable country in the world, is remotely similar to Osama Bin Laden, a Terrorist leader who routinely orders non-combatants (Read women and children) to be Murdered, is so far off base, I suggest you seek out a good mental heath doctor. You are "Not Right" in the head! :noob:

Nice intelligent answer there on the end :rolleyes:

If that opinion scares you so much you, you may like to check out the death statistics. See how many innocents Bush has butchered on the way to his goal of 'anti-terror'. That one paragraph of yours shows me how out of touch with reality you are.


If Your opinion is that Fighting terrorists=purposely killing innocent people, then YES! We most definitely do disagree!

Its not really my opinion no, rather then purposely I think its more a fallout effect caused by ignorance & a not very well thought out strategy that has had much the same results. You're a prime example of that train of thought.

End of story, argue it all you want.

[legacy-NulEnvoid]

Apologies to spineblaZe for being a part of the hijack of your model release.

I won't add to the debate again.

[legacy-plokiju]

You can visit http://www.iraq.net for news and info on Iraq. They also have a forum there if you want to discuss politics. The board is not very busy, and could use some lively debate. I think the mods try to keep things calm.

[legacy-Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by NulEnvoid
Well, if you'd done your research you would know NZ & many other countries had soldiers in Iraq in an attempt to help with the mess Bush created. Its a global event, it drags the rest of the world into it without consideration for how other countries are affected by its fallout.

Yes, I know that there are many other countries with soldiers in Iraq. I also know that the UN has had, what?, 30 YEARS to do something ....ANYTHING to resolve the Terrorist threat. Yet NOTHING, NOT ANYTHING has been done. Why is it such a tough concept for some people to understand? YOU CAN NOT NEGOTIATE WITH THESE PEOPLE. Why, after years of No one doing ANYTHING substantial, when we get someone who does what needs to be done, is there so many who suddenly become naysayers?


I also know that countries throughout the world can do ONE of the following....(A.) Join the fight against Terrorism. or (B.) Keep saying "it won't effect Us here! We're nice people!" until bombs start going off around them.


Originally posted by NulEnvoid
Skippy? You really are a tower of global knowledge aren't you. We don't have Kangaroos here but in light of you researched ignorance I should expect a statement like that, nice burn!

Gee! No Kangaroos in NZ?, No Fooling? :rolleyes:
Maybe you can import some! :p

For Your information, SKIPPY, the term "Skippy" is not a reference to hopping marsupials. It is a term used for overeager wannabees who try to interject their so called "Superior Knowledge" or opinions in to discussions where they have no business doing so.
:rolleyes:


Originally posted by NulEnvoid
As for the blah on negotiating, where once did I say that? Please try not to pull arguements out of your arse in an attempt to back up your idiocy.

OK, Skippy. There are two REAL choices. (A.) Fight (B.) Try to negotiate/beg for your life. That is reality, not opinion. The road of history is littered with the remains of fools who thought that they could "Sit this One Out". Read any history text, In war the winners make the rules, not the losers, Your choice. No road map to your "Arse", flashlight, or mirror needed.



Originally posted by NulEnvoid
Nice intelligent answer there on the end

If that opinion scares you so much you, you may like to check out the death statistics. See how many innocents Bush has butchered on the way to his goal of 'anti-terror'. That one paragraph of yours shows me how out of touch with reality you are.

Oh, Yes! "Bush the Butcher" Sorry! Skippy, I forgot!
Kill Innocent people, on purpose, for terrorist, socialist or communist causes is OK.
Kill Innocent people, while trying to defeat the above, while also doing everything you can to minimize it as much as you can is bad.

We are at war.
In war Innocent people die.
All that can be done, is to do your best to minimize it.



Originally posted by NulEnvoid
Its not really my opinion no, rather then purposely I think its more a fallout effect caused by ignorance & a not very well thought out strategy that has had much the same results. You're a prime example of that train of thought.

In WWII it took something like 5,000 bombs to kill one axis soldier.
Today, We can do it many times with one bomb or a single bullet.

Do innocent people die?, yes, sometimes they do.
Is that a reason to give in to the terrorists and quit?, no, it is not.



Originally posted by NulEnvoid
End of story, argue it all you want.

No argument here. Just the facts.



Originally posted by NulEnvoid
Apologies to spineblaZe for being a part of the hijack of your model release.
I won't add to the debate again.

Just stopped in to drop off your $.02, huh?

Tall Shadow

[legacy-Flamming_Python]

The more you fight terrorism, the larger it grows.

e.g. An invading army kills a man in the regular army of the defending country. His brother, vows to avenge him, picks up a gun, and later himself gets shot. Appaled by this, his wife, parents and sister all vow to avenge both of them, and go after the invading force.

This is exactly what happened in Chechnya. We defeated the "Regular" army in record time, but the resistance slowly built up over the years, and now they are as well equipped as the russian soldiers are, and a hell of a lot more determined...

The same thing is happening in Iraq, they are already aquiring better weapons, the rate of U.S deaths is rising... The longer you stay there, the worse it will get. Iraq has now become a breeding ground for terrorists, courtesy of the U.S, who will now also undoubtably get themselves involved in Chechnya, so that another Muslim country can be freed... Yeah... cheers for that.

You can fight terrorism, but not in this way. Invading a country is stupid. You must go after the source, conduct CIA operations and all that... This proves that this war is nothing but an excuse for oil or whatever.

[legacy-BFG5000]

*frags someone using the Osama Bin Llama model, cackles with evil glee* uhhhh what were we talking about again? Aren't there a ton of government BBs that you guys could be discussing this? It's a model, I repeat a model! A cartoon, a facsimilie, a visual representation made to be blown up and made fun of. Take all this to one of the swing states and join the Bush or Kerry campaign. This is a board for UT2004, a game, not politics.

[legacy-Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by Flamming_Python
The more you fight terrorism, the larger it grows.

So, what you are saying is that we should embrace terrorism?
IE: Fight it, it grows - Embrace(don't fight it) it, it goes away?

WTF kind of thinking is that? WOW!


Originally posted by Flamming_Python
e.g. An invading army kills a man in the regular army of the defending country. His brother, vows to avenge him, picks up a gun, and later himself gets shot. Appaled by this, his wife, parents and sister all vow to avenge both of them, and go after the invading force.

And this never happened in other, so-called Ordinary, wars?
Sooner or later, the bloodline, or the will to fight, will run out.



Originally posted by Flamming_Python
This is exactly what happened in Chechnya. We defeated the "Regular" army in record time, but the resistance slowly built up over the years, and now they are as well equipped as the russian soldiers are, and a hell of a lot more determined...

I'm sorry to say this, but PLEASE don't compare us to You. We have no desire to stay in Iraq.




Originally posted by Flamming_Python
The same thing is happening in Iraq, they are already aquiring better weapons, the rate of U.S deaths is rising... The longer you stay there, the worse it will get. Iraq has now become a breeding ground for terrorists, courtesy of the U.S, who will now also undoubtably get themselves involved in Chechnya, so that another Muslim country can be freed... Yeah... cheers for that.


The newer arms are comming from Our "Friends" who desided to remain "Neutral" in this conflict. Like they were "Helping" with the UN's Food-for-oil program.

The loosing team usually tries their hardest, while defeat stares them in the face.

As for Iraq being a breeding ground for terrorists. I would think that it was more of a gathering place then a breeding ground.
Wich would help put them all in one place.

Chechnya is your mess. I hope you guys make it a nice glass parking lot for the rest of the world. That way you can have "Free" states back in your country too!




Originally posted by Flamming_Python
You can fight terrorism, but not in this way. Invading a country is stupid. You must go after the source, conduct CIA operations and all that... This proves that this war is nothing but an excuse for oil or whatever.

You need Both large actions (IE: Direct military Action), and covert actions (Intel, Covert-ops, Etc.) , Along with the "Hearts & minds" (IE: Kids & Moms Future). Otherwise you are just doing a stop-gap action until the kids grow up and follow in their brother's & father's footsteps.

The "No War For Oil" B.S. line is even loosing it's draw with Our "Lefties" here. With world oil prices at record highs, and the US supposedly sitting(occupying ;) ) on the world's 2nd largest oil reserves, Why are we not seeing this "Flood" of oil that we were supposedly after. I know it's not making it to Our shores here.

As for who was making "Deals for Oil", ask Your buddy kofi Annan & crew about where the Oil and/or $$ is/went. That BS doesn't fly here.

Tall Shadow

[legacy-NulEnvoid]

Originally posted by Tall Shadow
...

I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry when I read your posts, on one hand they're funny... but then on the other they're quite sad :/

Solution would be for you to either PM people you wish to debate with, or drop it. If I wanted to read 'The Redneck Guide to the World' I would, don't really need it pushed down my throat when I come here.

Thanks :up:

[legacy-Flamming_Python]

Originally posted by Tall Shadow
And this never happened in other, so-called Ordinary, wars?
Sooner or later, the bloodline, or the will to fight, will run out.


Well well well... look who is the imperialist around here... Why don't you just nuke Iraq right now and get it over with? Its likely to have the same effect as what you just implied, only it will be far quicker and a lot less painfull...

Oh of course then all the oil will have evaporated! Sorry, forgot about that!


Originally posted by Tall Shadow

Chechnya is your mess. I hope you guys make it a nice glass parking lot for the rest of the world. That way you can have "Free" states back in your country too!


I meant the Iraqi terrorists will get involved in Chechnya, not the Americans. It looks like they already are by the looks of it, at least if you believe in what Putin is saying.

[Infernus.]

I guess the patriotic americans now can finally laugh about this one ;)

Does anyone still have the download link for me?

[Baryonyx]

He was on L4Y, so he will be at UTZone - sooner or later at least... :rolleyes:

EDIT:
I wanted to upload my copy of him for you to gamefront but the button to choose which file to upload just does not show up... :mad:
What other site could I use?

[Sly.]

Mediafire. :p

[Baryonyx]

Thanks, I just did not remember the name of that site with the blue flame icon... :p

There you go Infernus!
CLICK ME (http://www.mediafire.com/?c4id6xgx36algg9)

[Infernus.]

Thanks, I just did not remember the name of that site with the blue flame icon... :p

There you go Infernus!
CLICK ME (http://www.mediafire.com/?c4id6xgx36algg9)

Thank you! Soon you will see one hell of an evil mod release! That's why this is post #666 btw!

[Sergeant Todd]

*frags someone using the Osama Bin Llama model, cackles with evil glee* uhhhh what were we talking about again? Aren't there a ton of government BBs that you guys could be discussing this? It's a model, I repeat a model! A cartoon, a facsimilie, a visual representation made to be blown up and made fun of. Take all this to one of the swing states and join the Bush or Kerry campaign. This is a board for UT2004, a game, not politics.

Reality check from legacy-BFG5000. Thanks. mate.

I've been using the Osama model (and Hitler, and , and Darth Vader and other dark side types) for target practice for several years now, and I still love blowing their bloody heads off. It's a 1st person shooter, isn't it? For me, all evil character models are priority targets and I love blasting the living kak out of them.

Mates, in future let's keep the forum pristine and relatively politics free, please!! :)

Sergeant Todd

[arbee]

Read the post dates.

It's all 2004, the debate's long been over and the man has been dealt with.

[Baryonyx]

I think he is aware of that. What he means is that he wishes for something like that to not happen again in the future as it obviously happened in the past... (I hope you get what I mean :p)

@Infernus: Post 666 LOL Nice coincidence. I wonder what it will be?

[Infernus.]

Reality check from legacy-BFG5000. Thanks. mate.

I've been using the Osama model (and Hitler, and , and Darth Vader and other dark side types) for target practice for several years now, and I still love blowing their bloody heads off. It's a 1st person shooter, isn't it? For me, all evil character models are priority targets and I love blasting the living kak out of them.

Mates, in future let's keep the forum pristine and relatively politics free, please!! :)

Sergeant Todd

Actually it's even in the rules that this board is not meant as a political discussion forum:

[03] Keep discussions on topic! Please refrain from discussions not pertaining to our games or company. There are plenty of other places in the vast Internet to discuss your political or social views. This includes Unreal vs XYZ Game, Unreal vs XYZ Engine, Console vs Console or Console vs PC discussions. Topics related to illegal drug use are also not permitted.


Read the post dates.

It's all 2004, the debate's long been over and the man has been dealt with.

Dealt with him? You mean like the CIA or FBI which was at his door after tracking his IP address? :)

And yes, this was 2004, I just wanted to try it out, and now I am going to make one hell of an evil mod. Maybe some americans will hate me after I did, but maybe some won't.

You'll see Baroyin.. baroyiunx???, just wait.

[Baryonyx]

[...]
You'll see Baroyin.. baroyiunx???, just wait.

Those jokes are not funny! :mad::p

I wonder if I could get my username changed... I exchanged the first y In Baryonyx (a species of dinosaur) on purpose but now it's just causing me trouble... :(

[Infernus.]

Those jokes are not funny! :mad::p

I wonder if I could get my username changed... I exchanged the first y In Baryonyx (a species of dinosaur) on purpose but now it's just causing me trouble... :(

I changed from [CD]Troy to Troy. to Infernus. by asking Flak, so ask it kind and I'm sure she'll do it ;)

[Sly.]

Oh noes! I will have to get used to your new name then! Don't do it Barionyx! D:

[Sergeant Todd]

Oh noes! I will have to get used to your new name then! Don't do it Barionyx! D:

Don't listen to the rabble! Change your name if you want to, mate. You deserve it!!! :)

PS. Still looking for skinners.

Sergeant Todd

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"I dumped Casey Anthony!"

[Private Tux]

Permanent GameFront Link for this model:
http://www.gamefront.com/files/3299100/Osama_Bin_Llama_Model (uploaded 07-02-2004)

One mirror from MediaFire:

CLICK ME (http://www.mediafire.com/?c4id6xgx36algg9)

PS: Goes well with Bush VP: http://www.gamefront.com/files/3787940/