When is epic going to address bot play!

[legacy-Morphias]

Ok, I just played all skills on the same map.

Holly MFG, theres too much of a bot skill jump when you goto adept and its worse when you goto masterfull+, yes I know this has been said before, but why wasn't it addressed.

I have also noticed thier AI is better, which makes high skilled bots even more harder. I just recon they should have evened out the skill and stopped making bots target human players ( isHumanControlled()==True) all the time.

This is a big hickup, as with onslaught now, 90% of the time, the bots on the ground will target human players instead of defending the nodes and bases, when the human player is of no threat, especially when a raptor is pounding the node. They will even shoot around other bots who are attempting to kill them, just to get the human.

Human players should be just another BOT, I have already gone into the code and found many spots where human players are a priority over most situations.

Luckily I rented the thing, and I can return it, because nothing was fixed from the demo, and there is hardly any UT content back like everyone says there is. I'll keep my $$$$'s this round.

I played UT for 3 years running,
I played UT2003 for 8 months,
I played UT2004 for 2 days.

That about sums up what they have done to the game, or maybe I'm just getting too old and epic aren't cattering for all age groups. :sour:

[legacy-Xipher]

Learn patience, and just wait till the get the first patch out before whining again.

[legacy-unSane]

Set the bot skill level lower.

Expecting bots to play ONS well is ... optimistic.

They play DM extremely well. I am not one of those people who can whup Godlikes, but I can beat Adepts consistently on many maps (especially those that favour hitscan weapons).

I don't think their aim is that great as long as you are moving unpredictably. You just have to keep your distance whenever possible and when it's not possible, move like a bastard. Whore the shields and the DD, concentate on hitscan weapons such as LG, shock primary, mini secondary.

[legacy-A2597]

bots in DM:
Bloody amazing. Though I HATE link seconday, as you can't get far enough away to avoid it most of the time...

Bots in CTF/DDom:
Need work...they have some SERIOUS "Lets hump the wall" issues....


Bots in Assault/ONS:
AMAZING...no problems whatsoever yet.

[legacy-Valjiin]

You returned it because bots suck? :weird:
So you played UT1 for 3 years....with bots?
Try multiplayer. When you see other people running into walls, it's actually FUNNY instead!

[legacy-the dark six]

Originally posted by Morphias Human players should be just another BOT, I have already gone into the code and found many spots where human players are a priority over most situations.

Makes sense, considering human players are generally more dangerous than bots.


Luckily I rented the thing, and I can return it, because nothing was fixed from the demo, and there is hardly any UT content back like everyone says there is. I'll keep my $$$$'s this round.

Morpheus
Dm-Deck
Sniper Rifle
Assault

the list goes on.

But more than old content, you should enjoy the new content too.


I played UT for 3 years running,
I played UT2003 for 8 months,
I played UT2004 for 2 days.

That about sums up what they have done to the game, or maybe I'm just getting too old and epic aren't cattering for all age groups. :sour: [/B]

Yes, you are THAT old. :D

Or you could be only 14 years old, in which case you're kinda messed up. :p

Or maybe you just have the wrong mindset to enjoy a great game. ;)

[legacy-Morphias]

Just to add,

Being called a camper because I stand still too long is stupid, and being called a spammer because I got a few kills while I was camping is unterly childish. It's things like these that make me dislike the game even more, people like to camp, what's the use of being called a camper/spammer in a CTF game where you are defending the base and sniping. Geez, I thought they said they were bringing back some UT stuff, WHERE? and i'm not talking about damn maps, that was done in ut2k3 by some good mappers already.

Maybe this will shock so memories:
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~nij...3-UT99kills.wmv
Yes, i've added this to the game.




You returned it because bots suck?
So you played UT1 for 3 years....with bots?
Try multiplayer. When you see other people running into walls, it's actually FUNNY instead!

I've seen enough whining about online play, besides, we have capped limits and high priced broadband here, so OLGP is not something I can do. Besides I have spectated matches and it is funny sometimes, but i'm stuck with bots, so I have to gripe, so they know.

the dark six: I'm not talking about maps, that to me thats not what I expected. Besides the sniper rifle is lame unless your on the run, so the smoke doesn't get in ya eye.

I don't know, I guess it just time to move on.
:confused:

[legacy-§pectre]

Adept bots are NOT difficult. That's what I started with in UT2k4, but now I require Masterful to put up a real good challenge.

[legacy-Vinylmixer]

Don't it make the SP experience last longer? don't you hate games that are piss easy to complete?

Makes a change for bots to actually be hard, I think they did a good job.

[legacy-Audane]

I really can't believe that you're actually complaining about bot-abilities :bulb:

Yes - at adept they start being a bit tricky to fight against at times - but that's how it should be! it's something to do with SKILL:D
and of course they target the human first - you SHOULD BE their biggest threat! You're supposed to be superior to the bots... but I guess you aren't... :confused:

[legacy-moppel]

Originally posted by Morphias
Luckily I rented the thing, and I can return it, because nothing was fixed from the demo, and there is hardly any UT content back like everyone says there is. I'll keep my $$$$'s this round.

I played UT for 3 years running,
I played UT2003 for 8 months,
I played UT2004 for 2 days.

I can't stop crying
bye bye, cu

[legacy-Prisoner1138]

wtf are you talking about "hardly any ut content back like everyoen says there is"? no one ever said there was going to be a bunch of content from ut99 back in the first place. i dunno how you came upwith that idea, but you must have imagined it.

also, considering that there hasn't been a patch yet for the whopping 2 weeks the game has been out, wtf are you acting as if apic has ignored thousands of people griping about bots?

and when you consider that the whole focus of the damn game is online multiplayer anyway, don't you realize that epic might prioritize that instead of tweaking some damn bots that hardly anyone cares about?

no one cares if you've played ut for 3 years. hell, it came out in '99, there's people that have been playing it longer than you. and wtf were you doing for those 3 years anyway, just playing against bots the entire time?

NEWSLFASH: BOTS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE MORE DIFFICULT TO BEAT ON HIGHER DIFFICULTIES. IF YOU WANT REAL TEAM GAMES, PLAY MULTIPLAYER.

and spectating matches occupies just as much bandwidth as playing anyway(which is hardly any even if your isp does have crappy caps), so wtf didnt you just play? instead you're busy here whining about how the single player aspect of what is essentially a multiplayer game isn't to your liking simply because the singleplayer bots are too difficult. hell, i'm amazed that you didnt gripe about the game not having a storyline and cutscenes for every level.

[legacy-0V3RC10CK3D]

Originally posted by Morphias

Luckily I rented the thing, and I can return it, because nothing was fixed from the demo, and there is hardly any UT content back like everyone says there is. I'll keep my $$$$'s this round.


wait a sec, not sure if i was the only one that caught this but....rented it? ...with a CD Key? ....why didn't you just toss a no cd crack in the folder and return it?

[legacy-Sophitia]

The bot still continue from ut2003 to say I got the flag in bombing run games... i know it's a little thing but it is not good...

[legacy-Morphias]

Originally posted by Prisoner1138
wtf are you talking about "hardly any ut content back like everyoen says there is"? no one ever said there was going to be a bunch of content from ut99 back in the first place. i dunno how you came upwith that idea, but you must have imagined it.

also, considering that there hasn't been a patch yet for the whopping 2 weeks the game has been out, wtf are you acting as if apic has ignored thousands of people griping about bots?

and when you consider that the whole focus of the damn game is online multiplayer anyway, don't you realize that epic might prioritize that instead of tweaking some damn bots that hardly anyone cares about?

no one cares if you've played ut for 3 years. hell, it came out in '99, there's people that have been playing it longer than you. and wtf were you doing for those 3 years anyway, just playing against bots the entire time?

NEWSLFASH: BOTS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE MORE DIFFICULT TO BEAT ON HIGHER DIFFICULTIES. IF YOU WANT REAL TEAM GAMES, PLAY MULTIPLAYER.

and spectating matches occupies just as much bandwidth as playing anyway(which is hardly any even if your isp does have crappy caps), so wtf didnt you just play? instead you're busy here whining about how the single player aspect of what is essentially a multiplayer game isn't to your liking simply because the singleplayer bots are too difficult. hell, i'm amazed that you didnt gripe about the game not having a storyline and cutscenes for every level.

I don't want to get into a heated discussion over this, but are you an idiot!! Have you ever tried to playing an game like this on a dial up connection, the lag makes it near impossible to get an aim on anything moving. 1680 ping does not boast for good action, so spectating is all I can do.

My gripe is not over the skill levels, but epic not doing much to improve INSTANT ACTION gameplay.

Yes, I played bots for 3 years AND LOVED IT.

You also missed my point about playing ut for 3 years,,, I'll explain it in a way that you will understand:
I played UT for 3 years (it was the best ) and when UT2003 came out, I lost interest very quickly, WHICH MEANS there was something wrong with the gameplay, so my point is, that UT had better gameplay that made me want to play over and over, UT2003 and UT2004 does not have that, so to me there is a problem. If you can't live with the fact that somebody doesn't like the game, DON"T FN reply to the post.

Also, how about we list what they did try to bring back from UT like someone else already started:

1. The menu music
2. maps
3. smaller bots and weapons
4. UT look alike HUD
5. XAN bot
6. Skaarj bots

Shall I go on?

Also, Being called a spammer because I got 3 stand still kills made me return the game before I had to.

If you don't like my opinion, tuff.

UTReport.com: I'm not into piracy, ok, i'm honest, just like my thoughts about this game.

Maybe in time I might get use to the new stuff, but as for now, i'll look for something else to play.

[legacy-Audane]

Try Battlefield 1942 or BF:Vietnam

I hear their bots are GREAT!!!!:haha: :rolleyes:

[fuegerstef]

Originally posted by Audane
Try Battlefield 1942 or BF:Vietnam

I hear their bots are GREAT!!!!:haha: :rolleyes:

At least they are easier to beat than the UT2k4 ones... :haha: