Anyone that says IG isnt spam is wrong.

[legacy-Derisor]

Actually "full of it" would be the phrase. I just played sx CTF games with instagib to try to improve my aim. 14 player server and it was spam city. Mostly people just spam shoot and hold down the bloody fire button. There may be SOME degree of skill (reflexes mostly) but the next time some IGer tells me NW are jsut spam Im going to laugh.

And I dont feel like it helped my aim either.

IG is 70% spam 30% skill.

Puts on Acme super flameproof, full body suit.

Edit: Spam is fine, what annoys me is idiot IGers claiming they have leet aim skills and that NW are all spam and no skill. IG is, if anything, more spam and less skill than NW. (The time of this edit is the same as my second post on this thread)

[legacy-EternalNoob]

/Tosses him a second suit, for good measure... :cool:

[legacy-BabyNuke]

Some spam better than others though. A pro-instagib player might get killed by the occasional lucky shot a 'noob' manages to make on him, but overall, there is definatly skill involved here.

[legacy-Sidekicker]

Why not try playing with less players then ? :eek:

[legacy-FLAGEL]

Originally posted by BabyNuke
Some spam better than others though. A pro-instagib player might get killed by the occasional lucky shot a 'noob' manages to make on him, but overall, there is definatly skill involved here.

There is no such thing as a "pro-instagib player". I would know if anyone would(not to brag in any way). A pro is someone who can make money of what he's/she's doing.

Edit: As for Derisors "point" I wont even discuss it, knowing how the rest of his threads/posts have been.

[legacy-Sh0rty]

Originally posted by Derisor in http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=4840769
The fact is that spam is a valid tactic and even a skill. Spam, in fact, is being used as a derogatory term for three military skills.
You know you whine a lot btw. Do you ever play.
We know you hate instagib, don't play it, don't complain about it, and let us instagib lamers spam eachother to death. Thx.
EDIT: You're pretty childish for a "mature gamer" (See you're other post also)


Originally posted by Flagel
Edit: As for Derisors "point" I wont even discuss it, knowing how the rest of his threads/posts have been.
:up:

[legacy-EternalNoob]

Originally posted by FLAGEL
Edit: As for Derisors "point" I wont even discuss it, knowing how the rest of his threads/posts have been.

Boohoo. :cry:

You're quite a hero there, sport. It takes quite a man to put Derisor in his place...

Seriously, I think Derisor hit a nerve: "What?? How dare he belittle my l33t IG skillz???"

By referring to his past posts, and calling him "childish" for his opinions, you're just amusing the gallery at your own expense - thanks!! :up:

[legacy-Prisoner1138]

yea, some of derisors posts make sense, but then he comes up with some completely contradictory bs like this.

you cant say people should stop whining about spam one day, then whine about spam yourself the next day. that's just dumb.

[legacy-duskboy]

Originally posted by Derisor
IG is 70% spam 30% skill.


http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/edoom/cussing.gif

[legacy-FLAGEL]

One more thing I came to think of.

Where do you live? We could do a 1on1, even if you live in NA I'd be ok with it...

Now, if IG is 70% spam you theoreticaly get y frags vs. me out of 30:

y = 30 * 0.70 / 2 = 11.5.

[legacy-FLAGEL]

Originally posted by EternalNoob
You're quite a hero there, sport. It takes quite a man to put Derisor in his place...


Well, thank you.

[legacy-EternalNoob]

Originally posted by Prisoner1138
yea, some of derisors posts make sense, but then he comes up with some completely contradictory bs like this.

you cant say people should stop whining about spam one day, then whine about spam yourself the next day. that's just dumb.

Another brilliant human being...

Derisor was not whining about spam, just pointing out that spam is part of IG too.

You see, IGers seem to be the most vocal opponents of "spammy" weapons, saying it sullies the "sport" by giving lucky kills to "n00bs" (Oh GOD, please no!!! Don't let n00bs kill me, arrgh!!!!!! :cry: )

Sheesh...:rolleyes:

[legacy-Sh0rty]

You guys don't know jack sh*t about instagib. All you do is whine about it. Go play NW, and stfu.
Or challenge Flagel (you have your elite LG aim anyway) and get pwn'd. heh.
Go flagel!

[legacy-|IB|Chrome]

Derisor...you sir are a self-contradicting hypocrite. Just please go back and read you silly skill level determinating thread and you will understand.

[legacy-EternalNoob]

Originally posted by Sh0rty
You guys don't know jack sh*t about instagib. All you do is whine about it. Go play NW, and stfu.


Fresh out of intelligent arguments, I see... :haha:

[legacy-Prisoner1138]

Originally posted by EternalNoob
Another brilliant human being...

Derisor was not whining about spam, just pointing out that spam is part of IG too.

You see, IGers seem to be the most vocal opponents of "spammy" weapons, saying it sullies the "sport" by giving lucky kills to "n00bs" (Oh GOD, please no!!! Don't let n00bs kill me, arrgh!!!!!! :cry: )

Sheesh...:rolleyes:

he says in a fairly lengthy rant, that spam is a skill, a valid tactic, blah blah blah. now he claims that IG is just a bunch of spam, mostly reflexes, little skill, etc etc etc. you dont see how that whining is contradictory? no, i dont play IG, but if someone says spam is ok one day, and isnt the next, they're a hypocrite.

[legacy-FLAGEL]

Seems like Mr. Bruce W. Perry lives in Newburyport, Massachusetts. Does anyone here have a server located east side to borrow?

[legacy-EternalNoob]

Originally posted by Prisoner1138
he says in a fairly lengthy rant, that spam is a skill, a valid tactic, blah blah blah. now he claims that IG is just a bunch of spam, mostly reflexes, little skill, etc etc etc. you dont see how that whining is contradictory? no, i dont play IG, but if someone says spam is ok one day, and isnt the next, they're a hypocrite.

He's claiming that the anti-spam attitude of the IGers is just self-satisfied elitism. Now he's poked a hole in their idealism, and they're mad.

Just like kicking an anthill. :p

[legacy-BabyNuke]

Originally posted by FLAGEL
There is no such thing as a "pro-instagib player". I would know if anyone would(not to brag in any way). A pro is someone who can make money of what he's/she's doing.

Edit: As for Derisors "point" I wont even discuss it, knowing how the rest of his threads/posts have been.

Good instagib player then.

[legacy--divine.eX-]

Originally posted by Derisor
Actually "full of it" would be the phrase. I just played sx CTF games with instagib to try to improve my aim. 14 player server and it was spam city. Mostly people just spam shoot and hold down the bloody fire button. There may be SOME degree of skill (reflexes mostly) but the next time some IGer tells me NW are jsut spam Im going to laugh.

And I dont feel like it helped my aim either.

IG is 70% spam 30% skill.

Puts on Acme super flameproof, full body suit.

tbh I think you should try playing it for a tad bit longer than six iCTF matches. If I had judged nw on my first 6 games, then I wouldave quit a long time ago.
70% spam?! uhm...not many kills then right? because most of the time spam wont be giving you any kills. can be valid on a few occasions but overall...like 9 times out of 10 aiming will let you live abit longer, and I would like to believe I know what I'm talking about.

[legacy-yewnuhtee]

Anyone who holds down the fire button in IG is a noob. Sorry Derisor, but get off the noob servers if you can't handle it. :haha:

[legacy-Sh0rty]

Originally posted by EternalNoob
Fresh out of intelligent arguments, I see... :haha:
Please refer to my more intelligent replies that actually defend the gametype with arguements in countless other "I hate instagib threads".
I'm getting sick & tired of these threads hence the lame replies.

[legacy-Beer.Blunt]

This thread is going to hell....I hope it takes the IG vs NW thing with it.
UP with UT2k4
:) :up:

[Buppie]

Spam with Instagib is impossible when you wanna frag someone.

[legacy-Zesp]

ig has taught me how to aim, but it has taught me more on how to evade an enemy, and their ig laser. this is kind of neccessity especially when playing in a 16 iCTF on checkmate :rolleyes:.

commenting on your general topic, some do spam but the better ones don't.

[legacy-~AFU~SirCruelT]

Originally posted by Derisor
Actually "full of it" would be the phrase. I just played sx CTF games with instagib to try to improve my aim. 14 player server and it was spam city. Mostly people just spam shoot and hold down the bloody fire button. There may be SOME degree of skill (reflexes mostly) but the next time some IGer tells me NW are jsut spam Im going to laugh.

And I dont feel like it helped my aim either.

IG is 70% spam 30% skill.

Puts on Acme super flameproof, full body suit.


Anyone else smell that???:confused:


I think it's all the bull $hit that's coming out of this guy.:p

[legacy-catphile]

There is absolutely no reason to press the fire button in IG unless your crosshair is on a victim. That is the primary lesson to be learned if one is to be a good IG'er.

That said, if people were holding down the fire button on an IG server, you should have completely schooled them.

[legacy-Derisor]

Originally posted by Prisoner1138
yea, some of derisors posts make sense, but then he comes up with some completely contradictory bs like this.

you cant say people should stop whining about spam one day, then whine about spam yourself the next day. that's just dumb.

I dont mind spam. I was merely pointing out that IG isnt all a skill fest like their proponets make it out as.

as for the personal insults ... *waves hand dismissively*

[legacy-Beer.Blunt]

Originally posted by Derisor
I dont mind spam. I was merely pointing out that IG isnt all a skill fest like their proponets make it out as.


There was a dire need for us to know your opinion about this?
:confused:

[legacy-Derisor]

Originally posted by EternalNoob
He's claiming that the anti-spam attitude of the IGers is just self-satisfied elitism. Now he's poked a hole in their idealism, and they're mad.

Just like kicking an anthill. :p

*kick*

:D

Boy do they go nuts. ;)


Originally posted by Beer.Blunt
There was a dire need for us to know your opinion about this?
:confused:

Somewhat more than a need to hear you post a pointless, contentless reply to a thread you hate. Ill give you a hint, stop bumping threads you hate and maybe they wont hang around so long.

Some people! :rolleyes:


Originally posted by catphile
There is absolutely no reason to press the fire button in IG unless your crosshair is on a victim. That is the primary lesson to be learned if one is to be a good IG'er.

That said, if people were holding down the fire button on an IG server, you should have completely schooled them.

Oh BS. People fire as they go around a corner without ever knowing if anyone is there. Three or four teammates will fire largely randomly at corners to get lucky picking off people. People jump around like maniacs holdign down the fire button and so on.

Or are you going to claim people that see someone around a corner react in less than a thousandth of a second ?

:rolleyes:

[legacy-Derisor]

Originally posted by Sh0rty
Please refer to my more intelligent replies that actually defend the gametype with arguements in countless other "I hate instagib threads".
I'm getting sick & tired of these threads hence the lame replies.

Strange. You are "sick & tired of these threads" and yet you spend a significant amount of time bumping them to the top of the forum.

Rather humorous actually. Carry on. :D

[legacy-Beer.Blunt]

Originally posted by Derisor

Somewhat more than a need to hear you post a pointless, contentless reply to a thread you hate. Ill give you a hint, stop bumping threads you hate and maybe they wont hang around so long.

Some people! :rolleyes:


Even if NO ONE else had posted in here, I'm quite sure you'd still be "bumping." I've tried ignoring many things, but they didn't go away so I gave up :(
At least work is over so i can go insta it up with my skilless teammates and opponents. w00t! :rolleyes:

[legacy-Derisor]

Originally posted by Beer.Blunt
Even if NO ONE else had posted in here, I'm quite sure you'd still be "bumping." I've tried ignoring many things, but they didn't go away so I gave up :(
At least work is over so i can go insta it up with my skilless teammates and opponents. w00t! :rolleyes:

You couldnt even resist replying and bumping the thread again.

:haha:

Sounds like you need to work on your self control skill.

:D

[legacy-Reclaimer]

I play BR-InstaGib and ONS-Regular Weapons, and heres what I have to say.

1. IG does require skill and it requires lots of aiming skill
2. IG isn't spamming, its aiming when the targets are in your crosshairs
3. RW does require skill but not as much because a lot of RW have splash damage or fire multiple rounds per second or per shot, so you technically can "miss" your shot and still score a hit
4. RW can be spamming and can't be spamming, the sniper rifle, shock rifle, and lighting gun are pure skill, the rocket launcher, flak cannon, minigun, linkgun, and bio rifle all contain a form of multiple hits/splash damage so they don't require as much skill as other RW.
5. IG and RW are both fun, and i can still mantain a good skill level to play both BR and ONS, so right now i have to say that IG just isn't spamming

Sorry for the rant;)

[legacy-Kappow]

Originally posted by Derisor
Actually "full of it" would be the phrase. I just played sx CTF games with instagib to try to improve my aim. 14 player server and it was spam city. Mostly people just spam shoot and hold down the bloody fire button. There may be SOME degree of skill (reflexes mostly) but the next time some IGer tells me NW are jsut spam Im going to laugh.

And I dont feel like it helped my aim either.

IG is 70% spam 30% skill.



6 games isn't going to improve your aim. Try 100, and maybe it will improve a little. Secondly, whether it is spam or not is quite irrelivant. The way a weapon shoots is only part of the game. If someone gets kills by holding down the fire button, then it is only totally acceptable, because when playing competetive games, one always wants what will give them the most advantage. A lot of what it means to be skillful, is knowing what works and what does not.

[legacy-Derisor]

Originally posted by Kappow
6 games isn't going to improve your aim. Try 100, and maybe it will improve a little. Secondly, whether it is spam or not is quite irrelivant. The way a weapon shoots is only part of the game. If someone gets kills by holding down the fire button, then it is only totally acceptable, because when playing competetive games, one always wants what will give them the most advantage. A lot of what it means to be skillful, is knowing what works and what does not.

If they admit its spammy, then its fine with me. I am just sick of their elitist "NW is no skill" BS.

[legacy-_arucard]

I think he tried using situational and terrain awarness and got owned :D. Next time try avoiding the usual camping spots :D.

Instagib is all about aim, prediction and dodging skills. (and of course 70% spam :D)

[legacy-robotnexus]

Don't you people get it... He loves to troll!

[legacy-EternalNoob]

:haha:

I go away a few hours and this thread is still on the first page ??Anthill indeed...

IGers got pwned good, me thinks!!! :cool:

[legacy-chaos69]

IG SUKS -- it involves no skills.



/me also puts on Super ACME Flame Proof SUIT!!!

[legacy-EternalNoob]

Originally posted by chaos69
IG SUKS -- it involves no skills.



/me also puts on Super ACME Flame Proof SUIT!!!

Oooo... !!!

This is worse than kicking an anthill - more like calling a bunch of Texas Rednecks gay...

:haha:

[legacy-OPTlMUSPRlME]

If they admit its spammy, then its fine with me. I am just sick of their elitist "NW is no skill" BS.

It is your IG is no skill stance that is the problem...

Yes IG is spammy if you pile enough players into a small map...the show up and blow up broom closet brawl...

[legacy-Derisor]

Originally posted by EternalNoob
:haha:

I go away a few hours and this thread is still on the first page ??Anthill indeed...

IGers got pwned good, me thinks!!! :cool:

They are rather sensitive arent they?

[legacy-Reclaimer]

ummm no IG does require skill, and so does RW. IG can be spamming if ya play with n00bs and **** but the peeps i play with IG isn't spamming. RW can be spamming too because alot of RW have splash damage or rapid fire weapons and with those you really dont need to aim. RW can also be skill but, RW vs IG, IG will always win in accuracy

[legacy-Derisor]

Originally posted by Reclaimer
ummm no IG does require skill, and so does RW. IG can be spamming if ya play with n00bs and **** but the peeps i play with IG isn't spamming. RW can be spamming too because alot of RW have splash damage or rapid fire weapons and with those you really dont need to aim. RW can also be skill but, RW vs IG, IG will always win in accuracy

You even need to aim the redeemer. Dont give me that "dont need to aim" crap.

[legacy-ZeAvIs]

How are splash damage weapons easier to aim? I find it harder to hit people when I use the rocket launcher then when i use the shock rifle. With the shock all i need is to touch someone with my xhair and press left mouse. Rocket luancher i have to follow his movements and predict where he will go and aim ahead of him. I personally have an easier time killing people with hitscan.

Anyway, I think you're missing derisor's point here IG dudes. He isn't dissing the spam, he is just saying that you guys pride yourselves on IG being all aim and no spam but in reality there is just as much spam as NW maybe more. He isn't saying thats bad he is just saying that it contradicts many of what you IGer's claim all the time.

[legacy-Reclaimer]

of course you need to aim the redeemer, and my name isnt buddy, its reclaimer. But anyway the redeemer needs to be aimed but you don't need good aim to make it work good, unlike IG were its "good" aim or "bad" aim, there is no in between. Like i said before i play IG-BR and RW-ONS so i know how this works, so dont tell me that you dont need to a a redeemer or ion cannon or target painter or whatever it is cuz you need to aim any weapon that you use. Just IG takes more aiming skill, and RW doesnt really need alot of aiming skills it just needs smarter tactics (this aplies to ONS).

[legacy-Reclaimer]

<rant>
#1 I'm not a IG'er only, I do both IG and RW
#2 Have you played ONS yet??? cuz EVERY single person SPAMS the hell outa every gun they use
#3 The rocket launcher is very easy to aim with, you sir have problems if you have troubles using a rocket launcher
#4 I respect everyones opinion but i wont tolerate someone saying IG is MORE spam than RW, cuz thats BS both have spam and both have about an equal amount of spam
#5 Dunno how much I have to repeat this one but I PLAY both IG and RW so I know both sides of the story and from my and almost everyone else's opinions that I have played with say that IG and RW both use "real" skill and "spam" skill
</rant>

[legacy-ZeAvIs]

The difference between the rocket launcher and a hitscan weapon such as for instance IG or LG or shock is that its instant. So you can nail someone no matter how far away by just getting your crosshairs over the the person and clicking.

Listen, Im not disputing that it takes good aim to be good with IG, because it does. But its a different kind of aim. There are people that kick ass with LG or shock rifle, but arent as good with the rocket launcher. Its because the rocket is slow, so you have to compensate for the rocket speed and the movement of your opponent. It takes aim, just not the same aim that IG requires. I would argue that both are equally challenging to master.

[legacy-Xythar]

IG should be killed off, it sucks.

[legacy-§pectre]

What a load of crap. If you spam in IG, and you're against players above the level of Novice Bot, then you will DIE. If you try to spam around corners and you miss (which you will), then the delay between fires will allow a decent player to aquire you, and you will DIE. If you hold down the fire button, then that takes away, however minimally, from your coordination in aiming. AND YOU WILL DIE!!!

IG is great for developing your twitch reflexes and aim. Of course normal weapons does take a much more rounded skillset, but IG is a good game mode in its own right.