Stat tracking is not working?

[legacy-tankblitzer]

I just recently had this really awesome game of onslaught, so i visited ut2004stats.epicgames.com. I noticed that the latest matches are not logged yet? Will they be posted in the future? Thanks :)

[legacy-BlackLantern]

I'm getting a little tired spending my cash on games that are not complete.As a consumer i don't care about your deadlines just make sure the product is ready when hundreds of thousands of gamers are counting on you too deliver.I think the worse part is that when you buy a game and have problems none of these companies feel compelled too do anything about it is because 1. they already have your money and there is nothing you can do and 2.We keep rushing too buy these games when not one of these companies outside of Everquest community gives a s@#! about customers.Stop ignoring us!!!

[legacy-tankblitzer]

Originally posted by BlackLantern
I'm getting a little tired spending my cash on games that are not complete.As a consumer i don't care about your deadlines just make sure the product is ready when hundreds of thousands of gamers are counting on you too deliver.I think the worse part is that when you buy a game and have problems none of these companies feel compelled too do anything about it is because 1. they already have your money and there is nothing you can do and 2.We keep rushing too buy these games when not one of these companies outside of Everquest community gives a s@#! about customers.Stop ignoring us!!!

Geez, relax....i dont think there's any evidence that they're ignoring us. Besides, the game is fun as it is, even if the stat tracking isnt working yet, so in my opinion, i dont think they delivered a defective product. In fact, this is the only FPS that I've been able to fully appreciate on my hopeless 56k connection, and that's saying a lot.

The stat tracking would be a great bonus to have in the future. And, i wonder, remember that old stat tracking program that was in the original Unreal Tournament? That was a very cool program, since you could track stats on your own local machine. Is there any program like it out there that works with UT2k4, or is it included with the game that i bought?

[legacy-Askani]

OH YEAH! That'd be sweet...we used to copy them to a central location that everyone in our group had access to and then compile them, so we could all keep up to date with everyone else's stats.

That would be fantastic Atari/EPIC. I hope you're listening!! :D

[legacy-BlackLantern]

1st of all if u have 56k u should be playing a nice card game on msn with the 60 year olds instead of laging up UT games.Second I did not just mean the stats for this game but new games in general should be complete an playable without customers finding bugs.I have also read this stat problem happened in the last version of this game.

[legacy-Tamlin]

I agree with u BlackLantern. We have all payd for have a playable game without "mouse lag", "general protection fault" and with a working voice option and stats system. Its not normal that we have no answer from atari if we have problems! We all gave them money!

[legacy-uglyduck_uk]

Originally posted by BlackLantern
1st of all if u have 56k u should be playing a nice card game on msn with the 60 year olds instead of laging up UT games.Second I did not just mean the stats for this game but new games in general should be complete an playable without customers finding bugs.I have also read this stat problem happened in the last version of this game.

I am over 60 year old but do not play MSM Card Games. Do not generalise and assume that all 60 year olds + are fuddy duddy brain deads please :)

[legacy-BlackLantern]

You missed the point gramps go play bridge before you have a stroke.Boooyaaa!! Tamlin understands...all I am saying is that we want a finished product or some affort too correct or console us customers .by the way its msn not msm so you might want too check that prescription gramps.

[legacy-{SBZ}_Bassman]

after the first ut.... for you young ppl dont play it... the original ut was and still is the best in the series (im 30)... its only went wayyyy down hill for ut ....they lost so many ppl when they came out with 2003 its not even funny...they didnt even have LMS in it !!!! and someone else made a mutator for it!!! geez comon a normal guy helped them to make money!!! thats freakin lame man...pay 45 bucks for a game and its got the guts missing in it??? whats up with that??? ... now they missed it up because they took his mutator of LMS and stuck it into 2004 and now its all F*****up... stats dont work and there claiming there game went gold before it was even released!!..omg COMON! ... ive seen mods on other games whoop this game into the ground...i cant believe they didnt stick with the first UT instead they sold out for a quick buck...i can already see once again that this game wont survive unless the gamers save it by making modifications and addons for it...this series will die because lack of support...hopefully someone smart in the company will go back to the first ut when they made there money with quality:down:

[legacy-Tamlin]

I understand u {SBZ}_Bassman but I'm not so young and I played UT1 from the begenning. UT1 was and is really good,. I played more than 100-150 clanwars and I loved that game. But sometimes we must look to the future. I dont like UT2K3, but UT2k4 (without all bugs) is really funny. (sorry for my poor english)

[legacy-Prisoner1138]

what in gods name are you talking about {SBZ}_Bassman? mods, mutators, etc from the community were what helped the first UT, and how do you figure the developers aren't supporting their game at all, when it hasnt even been a week yet and they've released what, 180 hours of tutorials about how to mod their game? they had a new map made by someone from the dev team on the FIRST DAY THE GAME WAS OUT. and how many other game sequels out their on the market give you ALL of the content from the previous version? you also seem to be forgetting all of those FREE bonus packs containing new maps and so forth, that they made for UT and UT2k3, instead of charging you $29.95 for an expansion disc at the store with new maps on it after the game only ships with a dozen maps(bf vietnam comes to mind).

and who cares if you're 30? i'm in my early 20's and i remember buying and playing the first ut a hell of a lot more clearly than you seem to.

this is not valve software, epic quite obviously doesn't want to make one game, and then keep trying to milk the exact same product for cash for 6 years. you want an example of a game that's been "supported" by the dev's for years? Halflife gets a patch maybe once a year at best, the game is riddled with cheaters to the point that people working on anti-cheat patches and such just flat out gave up. the engine is OLD. the engine used in hl was already at least a couple years old(and it even has some q1 code here and there) before valve used it to make hl. how does that cause a problem? well, there's only so much you can patch. then there's the lack of advanced features, i frankly think it sucks that so many people waste their time modding for the hl engine when it doesnt even have a decent physics engine. and when was the last time it's most popular mod got a new map? oh yea, that happens maybe once a year too.

i dont want epic/atari/whoever to just make 1 game and let it stagnate for 6 or 7 years before finally making some sort of update.

Tamlin, your english is pretty good, but you should have typed "fun" instead of "funny". just figured i'd let you know.

[legacy-Mosh83]

Originally posted by {SBZ}_Bassman
ive seen mods on other games whoop this game into the ground...i cant believe they didnt stick with the first UT instead they sold out for a quick buck...i can already see once again that this game wont survive unless the gamers save it by making modifications and addons for it...

Quit talking out your ass man. I can understand a 60 year old living in the past, but this is too much. A 30 year old remeniscing with a game that is 4 years old! Really!

UT2004 is in my opinion better than any other fps on the market. By a looong margin. It offers a wide array of fantastic mutlipalyers games, and if they aren't enough, further modifiable by an array of mutators. ONS is the best thing in the multiplayer scene since Tribes 1 in my opinion. Really, if you find this game so crap, what the hell are you doing here anyway? So the game might have a load of bugs, but the sad fact is, almost all games released nowadays are buggy out of the box.

UT2004 is amazing. It offers more than any other fps out there, and has only been out for a week. Now that's something. Meanwhile some people are still playing a mod as mediocre as counter-strike, and some are even paying for it! They are PAYING for a mod for a game that is 6 years old, with an old outdated engine.

Not me.

[legacy-Tamlin]

thx Prisoner1138 :-)


all your posts are interesting but what happening with these f****** stats?? ;) :cry:

[legacy-Prisoner1138]

that's what i've been wondering, and why i've been browsing these forums for the past couple of days(i usually just stick to gamefaqs.com).

but i just had to register to tell that guy off because he was rambling like a fool.

[legacy-Postalgeist]

I could have sworn this thread was about stats, not our memories of UT and such. How hard would it be for one person from Atari or Epic to put a note on the stats site telling us that there is a problem? The last game recorded was on Friday afternoon, so it was working at some point.

[legacy-Prisoner1138]

of course it was working at one point. it was working when the game came out, they took it down friday because it was causing problems with the master server.

take your pick, stats and a master server that works maybe 1 try out of 10, or no stats for a few days and a fully functioning master server?

[legacy-Millenium]

Originally posted by Prisoner1138
of course it was working at one point. it was working when the game came out, they took it down friday because it was causing problems with the master server.

take your pick, stats and a master server that works maybe 1 try out of 10, or no stats for a few days and a fully functioning master server?

I would like to have a fully functioning master server, but you'd think that they'd at least put on the UTStats page, for the people who have no clue whats going on, that UTStats isn't working right now. Like personally I don't really mind, I thought stats were cool, but I can easily live without it. I just wish that when something's going wrong game companies at least acknowledge it, and if they do acknowledge it, put it in a common place where people can see it. Not blaming just atari/epicgames, but like a lot of game companies, that as soon as something goes wrong, they don't tell anyone until everyone's confused as to whether the company even knows if there's anythign wrong.

[legacy-Prisoner1138]

if you can find this forum(which is linked from the ut stats page) you could have searched and found dr sin's explanation of why the stats were taken offline. therefore posting that you haven't seen any sort of explanation is kinda silly.

[legacy-{SBZ}_Bassman]

you just made my point by saying they released pages of tutors on how to make maps and mods cause they know its what helps keep it going :) and im not living in the past i just said they have went downhill from the old version style of play and from what i remember Dr Sin isnt part of ut! he helped develop anti cheats and some mutators so like i said lack of support on there part and just because you can live without stats doesnt mean you cant complain about it!! we bought the game... i run a ut2004 server and its the #1 gripe im getting from ppl so yea im going to complain cause we paid for it :rolleyes:

[legacy-Dipso]

Oh, good, so there IS a problem then? And here i was thinking I had screwed something up.

Imagine my dissapointment when i whent on the stats server after winning a few dm games, and no stats! :(

[legacy-Prisoner1138]

{SBZ}_Bassman,

what the hell are you talking about? you say ut99 was so great and blah blah blah. the only reason it was the slightest bit successful was because of USER CREATED CONTENT. you sound like you think it's retarded that epic took the time to get 180 hours of tutorial videos together so the game community could get started on their own content a lot faster.

and if that isn't the case, you need mroe practice typing in english than that tamlin guy, because i managed to understand exactly what he was saying.

and when did i say dr sin had anything to do with modding or any of that crap? maybe you need to understand the usage of a carriage return, also known as the "enter" key. you think dr sin just made up the information he posted about the stat server downtime? that there was no possible way he could have heard from some employee specifically involved with the stat server?

seriously, dude, SHUT UP. you're whining about wanting the old days back, playing a game that was supported by the community, and then complaining that epic/atari put something together to allow the community to support themselves better. what other publisher or developer has ever publically released THAT MUCH documentation and tutorials to mod their game? oh wait, NONE. they also did it for free, and you have the nerve to complain.

[legacy-Johnny_Warmonge]

Ok, it seems the stats page is working again but when I try to get my player ID; searching by name my name isnt found. Im not using my log in name. Im using my game name I chose from the UT2k4 main menu......*Settings, player, name.

Any help is appreciated...thx

[legacy-Prisoner1138]

well if you just started today, there's still a backlog that they're updating. if you started after friday when they took the stats down, and havent played on any stats servers, that would be another reason.

wait till it catches up then check again.

[legacy-Johnny_Warmonge]

Sorry that I didnt clarify this first :) I started Friday night (obviously) after they took the servers down and have been making sure that I've been playing on servers that have stat tracking enabled.

[legacy-Prisoner1138]

but stat tracking wasnt enabled at all friday night or saturday. only sunday did the server begin taking logs again.

[legacy-Dipso]

Damn, does that mean the stats from the game where i ruled a server while completely drunk is lost forever? :( bummer ;)

[legacy-Flak Pyro]

Leve the 56ker alone, i have 56k myself and i play Tribes 2 and UT2004, t2 is real smooth on 56k, UT isnt bad either, i highly doubt that we 56kers are lagging your game, we are only connecting to the server, i ping 200 on 56k and i play in mid sized servers in UT and 64 player servers in t2. Nobody has ever complained about the server lagging, unless everyone is having the problems, and that usually means its server related, not all of has have DSL available where we live so we use what we can.

[legacy-Tamlin]

Monday is online :-)

I have a question.
In UT2k4,I never changed my stats login/pass.

Some day ago I played with a different nick and now to find my stats I must write my facknick and not my stats login. why ?

[legacy-Prisoner1138]

because it tracks by the last nick you played the game with, OR your unique player id. if for some reason you cant remember the last nick you used(should be in the player settings still unless you changed it), play again with whatever nick you're currently using, then your stats will show whatever nick you just used(once they're finished catching up the backlog from sunday and monday)

[legacy-Tamlin]

ok, thx :-)

[legacy-Mosh83]

Originally posted by {SBZ}_Bassman
and im not living in the past i just said they have went downhill from the old version style of play

Downhill would mean UT2004 is not as good as UT2003.

Now there is not one single element where UT2004 wouldn't be drastically better than UT2003... except the few parts where they are identical.

[legacy-Millenium]

Originally posted by Prisoner1138
if you can find this forum(which is linked from the ut stats page) you could have searched and found dr sin's explanation of why the stats were taken offline. therefore posting that you haven't seen any sort of explanation is kinda silly.

I never said I didn't see any sort of explanation, I just said that some sort of explanation should be in a conspicuous location. I'm not an avid forum poster, nor do I want to search to find out whats wrong with my game. I was just saying that like if they even just put one sentence on the actual UT stats page it wouldn't have been a problem. Like all they had to say was "STATS NOT WORKING RIGHT NOW."

[legacy-{SBZ}_Bassman]

I'm glad to hear the stats are working again lots of happy ppl now. Prisoner is that all you do is bash people??....if you dont like my opinion TOO BAD!!! Dont tell me to shut up and saying im whining and i cant use english and i cant do this and do that I never said anything personal about you or anyone else! You act like you made the the game, if not then you must be kissing some major butt on these forums for some reason. "HEY HE SAID SOMETHING NEGATIVE LETS MAKE HIM LOOK LIKE A JERK" I can give my opinion anytime i want to i payed for the game! If ya dont like it oh well, you can bash me all you want dont matter. Trust me I'm not the only 1 feels this way i talk to alot of ppl who play.

[legacy-Gaiden Cortina]

I know that this thread is getting way off line from its original intentions, but I just wanted to clarify with Prisoner since he seems to know what is going on with the stats.

So you're saying that the stats were completely off line for Friday and Saturday, which means that no stats for those days will ever be reflected on the stats site right?

Sunday and Monday however are recorded on the Master Server, thus in due time whatever stats you accumulated on those days should show up?

I noticed just by clicking on some of the top players that their stats have been updated from Sunday. My stats however have not been recorded since last Thursday (I did not play on Friday). Should I be concerned or should I just assume that the mighty people behind all of this have not got around to me yet...

I don't know if you can really answer that, but for peace of mind I thought I would ask.

BTW, for all of you complaining about this game. Go find another one. I find it hard to understand why someone with such huge distaste for a video game would further waste his/her time with the game by joining forums about the game just to criticize. What better way to start an argument then to join a forum dedicated to a videogame and start talking mess about it. This game is by far the best FPS out right now.... hands down. Why, because it's new and has many of the features that we have come to know and love from FPS games. Regardless of the fact that it might have some issues right now. Epic/Atari has really taken a lot of the essential parts of the successful FPS games out on the market (teamplay, voice support, multiple game modes, splash weapons, direct weapons, hit sensitive areas[headshots], strong physics engine, vehicles, etc., etc.) and tried to incorporate them into one tight package... not a bad little endeavor if you ask me. And yes to top it off, they tried to take it one step further by catering to the videogamers and their love for modding a game. Sounds like a game designed by gamers to me, rather than a game designed by people only trying to make a buck. Give them a break. They're humans not God, and thus, will never be able to make a product that is completely perfect and completely accepted by everyone, which in essence is what you're asking for... Statistically there is no possible way to release something out on the market and know that there is nothing completely wrong with it. Human beings are notorious for finding things wrong, or in most cases doing things wrong.

[legacy-{SBZ}_Bassman]

ok...i wont say another word its the best game ever made there like that better? jesus ...dont give opinions here cause ppl think your crazy

[legacy-BlackLantern]

Myself and a few guys on this thread agree that games should be complete when they come out.If there are problems we want help reassurance these problems are being fixed.What prisoner and gaiden cortinass dont understand is that in America we dont like too spend money and have the product not work.If no one says anything then the next copy will have the same problems.I never once complained about the game itself so read before u reply kid.

[legacy-Prisoner1138]

what you don't seem to understand, is that it's kidna rare for a game to work perfectly out of the box the day it's released.

(and wtf is that comment supposed to mean anyway? i live in california you idiot)

[legacy-BlackLantern]

That is my point (see beta testing)!!

[legacy-Gaiden Cortina]

Wow, BlackLantern, Gaiden Cortinass and Kid, those are strong ones. Just know that the next time you visit a hospital or a genetics lab that, there might be some "Kid" reassuring you that you are getting what you paid for. I'm assuming that you, as an American, because no body else here is I guess, seem to subside to attacking others without quite understanding the jist of my original post. If you want to bash the game, do it, your opinion counts in the grand scheme of things, because the more you get upset about getting a game with bugs for your money, the more likely games will come out without bugs (most likely not, but you can hope)... However, I distinctly remember that this thread you are posting on is all about "Stat tracking is not working?" I don't remember the topic ever being about "Hey do you think UT2k4 is better than 99, please post here".

So in response to your very educated reply, I would suggest that you try and understand exactly what you are asking for from this game before you make comments. You know there were many beta tests and full fledge experiments run on the drug FenPhen. It was a great drug and was out on the market for quite some time. But after a few years, the FDA quickly removed it from the market when they realized that it was actually killing people. How's that for beta testing? Once again, nobody is perfect.

As for Bassman, I wasn't trying to belittle you in anyway. In fact I tried to be tactful. You are welcome to your opinion and I respect that, just like I hope you respect mine. I was just stressing the fact that sometimes what the community asks for from a game that has been out for 1 week is a little much. I don't know if you are one of these people, but there are many in the community of gamers who are very upset with companies that keep pushing release dates further and further away because of bugs. Then they get upset and say things like "don't give us a release date, if it's not going to be that date". Well would you rather not know about a game at all? or have the game out at all? Ultimately it's a null point. You can't please them all. The company went with the choice of releasing the most complete package they could without pushing dates back anymore. You can bash them for it, but they would get the same amount of bashing for not releasing so, what is the best solution?

I know the rebutal was "I want to make sure what I am spending my money on has no bugs..." Perhaps waiting a month or two before buying the product might be a better solution rather than being disappointed with the bugs. Once again as I said earlier. There are many FPS games out right now. If this one doesn't suit you, find another.

[legacy-Dipso]

This thread seems to be derailing every minute or so...

On topic: I do think the stats page it self should have sade something, because with them just working as normal, i realy thought i had screwed up with my settings.

So next time, it would be nice if they put it on the front page of the stats site, and maby even on the ingame internet game page... (I thought that page was there exactly to keep the users informed on the latest happenings in the UT world (a brilliant idea btw)

[legacy-Lepris]

hrmm I don't get it. I've been playing on stats enabled servers for the last few days and I still can't find my name or ID listed on the global stats page search. Am I doing something wrong? Do I need to set something in my unreal client? I put in my name and password (what's the password for?) in the settings. Still, not a single stat :(

[legacy-Postalgeist]

Check the recent matches, see if the newest one is after you played. If not, it hasn't caught up to you yet.

[legacy-BlackLantern]

It looks like most of us are on the same page.Problems happen but if you are the consumer you at least deserve an explanation.

[legacy-Millenium]

Whats up with the stat tracking servers... like sometimes they show up and sometimes they're nowhere to be found... O_o like the icon next to the server doesn't show up.

[legacy-Prisoner1138]

because the server that collects the stats is either offline, or just not accepting new stats.

it's just a guess, but considering that even tho the stats page is still updating, it's over 24 hours behind. if they keep taking stats while they're still trying to update the backlog, they'll never be current. if anything, it would be likely to get worse as more servers are coming up.

[legacy-Millenium]

Originally posted by Prisoner1138
because the server that collects the stats is either offline, or just not accepting new stats.

it's just a guess, but considering that even tho the stats page is still updating, it's over 24 hours behind. if they keep taking stats while they're still trying to update the backlog, they'll never be current. if anything, it would be likely to get worse as more servers are coming up.

oh cause like the first time I was wondering why like the stats weren't just logging... like that little graph icon representing a stats tracking server showed... but like sometimes it doesn't work. Not that I really mind about stats that much, I just think its really cool. And I was just wondering if it was something that I did.

[legacy-Lepris]

Originally posted by Postalgeist
Check the recent matches, see if the newest one is after you played. If not, it hasn't caught up to you yet.

Well that's the thing. It's been wayyyy after I played on my first supposedly stats recorded server. Several stat servers in fact. Still not a single listing for me. Sigh. I liked the stats collecting in ut. It was simple and heck I didn't know it was there til maybe a month after I had started playing and was pleasantly surprised that it existed. Mebbe if I play for another month. Guess I can kiss all my eagle eye kills goodbye :(

[legacy-Prisoner1138]

ok, unless you've already looked yourself up on the stats page, you wouldnt know your player id number. it's not the same as the number on the game page of settings.

also, if you're looking up your name, you need to look up the player name you use, not the login name for the stat tracking you entered with a password.

the reason there's a password, is to a: let the stat tracking be able to tell people apart with the same user name, and b: so i cant just pick the same name you did and screw up your stats by pretending to be you and suiciding all the time or whatever.

[legacy-jimmi_sweden]

I have same problem, I can search through others stats, but I cant find my own. - And the ID number that it "should" create, dosent seem to work. - I did search on my username, but nothing comes up.

where can you see if it is a match server or not ? - I have played on some match serveres, I know that for sure, because its people I know, in real life... But I mean in the list, where you can see the servers (in the game).

Any help is appreciated
thx



Originally posted by Johnny_Warmonge
Ok, it seems the stats page is working again but when I try to get my player ID; searching by name my name isnt found. Im not using my log in name. Im using my game name I chose from the UT2k4 main menu......*Settings, player, name.

Any help is appreciated...thx

[legacy-BlackLantern]

I feel bad for guys who have problems getting their game working or have glitches after buying a new game because it could have been me.

[legacy-Postalgeist]

Well said, BlackLantern. I only had the "pre-load skins" lag, and got that fixed pretty quick. As far as stats go, I finally had a game show up, so at least I am there.

[legacy-SrPrez]

since march 24th stats r screwed again....

[legacy-Dipso]

Yea, guess they are having som startin trouble... still think they should inform the public... as i said, because i found no info i was sure i had screwed up somehow...

[legacy-{SBZ}_Bassman]

Prisoner1138
i bet you hate me huh lets hear it?? pff you havent help 1 person buddie ...i would luv to quote u ....you small minded kid ...trust us as u said "OLD GUYS"
shut up!! :D

ok thank you bye bye

[legacy-Millenium]

Originally posted by Dipso
Yea, guess they are having som startin trouble... still think they should inform the public... as i said, because i found no info i was sure i had screwed up somehow...

That is exactly how I felt. Like when something's not working in my game, I expect it to be in a conspicuous location online. I don't want to have to go and search the forums to find out that other people are having he same problem as I am, and its not my fault its not working. When I went to the site and saw that there was nothing saying that the stats tracking servers weren't working, I assumed I was doing something wrong, that maybe I configured some option wrong when I was installing a bunch of skins and maps. And it took me a while to search through here to realize that other people were having the same problem I was. Its just misleading when its obvious there's a problem and the game company refuses to admit it. And from what I can see EpicGames has no intention of telling us when they plan on fixing the issue or whether or not they plan on fixing the issue at all. I just wish game companies had much better PR, because I'm sick of being like a consumer left out if the loop when it comes to information concerning games I've purchased. At least EpicGames could like post something on the stats page itself, just stating that its offline or something, like i've said before.

[legacy-uglyduck_uk]

They have posted - you just havent read the stickies :)

http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=365433

[legacy-Millenium]

Originally posted by uglyduck_uk
They have posted - you just havent read the stickies :)

http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=365433

I know they posted that, but if you notice it was posted 3/30 which is pretty much a week after the server was down. I'm not saying that they have to post something right after the situation, I would have just assumed like after a day of it being down, they would say "we're working on the master server" as opposed to a week after, and by then pretty much everyone's figured it out by themselves.

[legacy-uglyduck_uk]

Originally posted by Millenium
I know they posted that, but if you notice it was posted 3/30 which is pretty much a week after the server was down. I'm not saying that they have to post something right after the situation, I would have just assumed like after a day of it being down, they would say "we're working on the master server" as opposed to a week after, and by then pretty much everyone's figured it out by themselves.

I was going on this statement of yours (posted today):-

"And from what I can see EpicGames has no intention of telling us when they plan on fixing the issue or whether or not they plan on fixing the issue at all. I just wish game companies had much better......"

which implies that you had not seen the post :)

[legacy-CuTTingEdg3]

i can already see once again that this game wont survive

d00d it ALREADY has surpassed UT in MANY ways..
What are you smoking??UT2k3 could of been better
than UT99 but it lacked polish... which UT2k4 HAS..
UT2k4 is only going get BIGGER!!!
have you payed attention to the press its getting,the amount of servers,the reviews and the SALES i couldnt even buy it at
first it was sold out in less than a week....pretty impressive
for a pc game if you ask me...ALSO i been playing UT since
Unreal98 and bought each version at or near launch...
You can have your UT99 but take a look at those players and
servers disapearing:haha:

I know this guy bassman.....he really dont h8 UT2k4 hes
just a cheap azs:D that dont wanna buy it:p