blood decals in snow bug

[legacy-eldiablo2003]

On the snowy levels when someone dies and leaves a nice mess they also leave a nasty block surrounding it (ie a bug), has anyone else seen this or know how to cure it?

Thanks in advance.

Diab

[legacy-[HGA]Druid]

There is a thread about it in the technical forum. (Somthinth like "graphic glitch" or so.

For me it was cured with a patch, but lately (2199) I see it again.

[legacy-eldiablo2003]

Hmmm, I've looked through the tech forum... cant find it... anyone else got any ideas?

[legacy-Ravenant]

I get this too, but not only on snow, on a lot of textures actually. Like the Sand in face3 and the floor in asbestos and it happens with any decal, not just blood. Mine puts like a pink-ish colored area around the decal. BTW, I'm running a GF4 ti4200 with the 41.09 nvidia drivers. I've always noticed it even on the 30's.

[legacy-[HGA]Druid]

This (http://www.ina-community.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=231123&highlight=glitch) is the thread that I meant.

[legacy-eldiablo2003]

nice one, it would appear that the latest patch has brought the problem back....

[Plumb_Drumb]

Yes, definitely still a problem. Seems to happen on snow and sand, mostly.

I hate it with a passion. Epic fix now.

[legacy-Ravenant]

:o Yes epic please! It looks like major ass :(

http://www.planetquake.com/crypt/notfixed2218.jpg

[legacy-N1ghtw0lf]

Always happened with me too im running Geforce2MX400 on one computer and Geforce4Ti 4200 128MB on other...both have the problem...

[fuegerstef]

Same here with ATI Radeon 9000 PRO.
It's very annoying on DM-Snipercamp playing Invasion, where every blown-up monster leaves a red square on the ground.
This is the reasen why I do not play Invasion on that map anymore...:(

[Kr4zed]

I tried Face3 a few minutes ago and no problems at all. I think Epic won't have it easy when squishing this "bug" since it's not a common problem (i.e. not all people experience it).

What are your texture detail settings btw ?

[legacy-eldiablo2003]

I have texture detail set on the highest... very odd and very annoying. Try testing it on one of the snowy levels Bifrost etc, thats when its most apparent for me. BTW I have tried various DET driver sets including 41.09 and the lastest official ones... I have a n NFORCE 2 M/b on WinXP but other people have reported these issues on different chipstes and GFX cards... weird!

[legacy-[HGA]Druid]

The Problem is only visible when the Decal stay ist set to normal or high, and decals (and thus projectors) are enabled.

[T@F]

Seems ok for me?
But i am running 43.45 det drivers.

[Kr4zed]

Ok, I tried Bifrost with Textures on Highest, high decals stay and detail textures on and nothing like that in that screenie appeared.

*shrug*

looks like a problem with drivers...

I'm running a Ti4600 with 43.45 Detonators.

[legacy-[HGA]Druid]

Could you post your ut2003 ini please? And maybe your user ini (delete your nick and pass!).

Im Running a 9700 now, and on my old GF4400 i had tried a lot of drivers, and nothing helped.

[legacy-eldiablo2003]

Here's a screen shot and my ut2003.ini plus my system specs... thanks for your help....

GF 4600, ASUS NFORCE m/b latest drivers with Dets 43.45 obviously running 2199 patch....

Decal bug - click here (http://www.paulfinn.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/decal.jpg)

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[Kr4zed]

Originally posted by [HGA]Druid
Could you post your ut2003 ini please? And maybe your user ini (delete your nick and pass!).

Im Running a 9700 now, and on my old GF4400 i had tried a lot of drivers, and nothing helped.

Do you want my UT2003.ini and User.ini ? I could post them but I don't wanna post them here because of their length and I don't know where I could put them on the inet.

I could mail them to you if you want.

[legacy-[HGA]Druid]

Yepp, =[cz.$!®3/ \/]=, it would be nice if you could email me your inis, so I can check if it cures the prob (might be). Just use the adress from within my profile.

Tnx

[Plumb_Drumb]

thread hits floor, *thump*

Plumb gives thread the *bump*

[legacy-Descentia]

I don't seem to get this and I'm just running 41.09 drivers (GF 4 4600):weird:

EDIT: I do have all my settings maxed-out though, btw.

[Plumb_Drumb]

Well, it doesn't happen with every decal, only certain ones, and only on snow and sand.

[fuegerstef]

1.
I have tried different .ini settings. also some of the above mentioned, but the bug is still in. Unfortunately I haven't tested it with previous patches (2166,2168,etc...), so I do not know if it really is a patch-version thing and I do not want to downgrade...

2.
Bump.

[legacy-[HGA]Druid]

@=[cz.$!®3/ \/]= :

Thanx for sending your inis.

I´ve tried them and yes, I didn´t notice the glitches, BUT: the decal stay is set to low, as I mentioned before, if you set them to normal or high, THEN the glitches will occur.

I changed the decal stay to normal and the glitches occured also with your ini :(

Thanx anyway!

[Kr4zed]

Originally posted by [HGA]Druid
@=[cz.$!®3/ \/]= :

Thanx for sending your inis.

I´ve tried them and yes, I didn´t notice the glitches, BUT: the decal stay is set to low, as I mentioned before, if you set them to normal or high, THEN the glitches will occur.

I changed the decal stay to normal and the glitches occured also with your ini :(

Thanx anyway!

:(

Does that happen everywhere within a map ? (or rather everywhere where there's snowy or sandy surface?)
If you could tell me, where exactly on which map you experience that, I could try it myself to see if I have the same problem and just haven't noticed it yet.

Thanks

And as for the inis -- it's the very least I could do to help you. :)

[legacy-[HGA]Druid]

It only happens on "curved" ground, like snow or sand.

Most obviously you can see it in Bifrost, with Instagib enabled (although also Rockets "cause" this glitch).

Just let yourself be fragged by a bot (standing on the snow), thats how it can be 100% reproduced.

[Kr4zed]

Originally posted by [HGA]Druid
It only happens on "curved" ground, like snow or sand.

Most obviously you can see it in Bifrost, with Instagib enabled (although also Rockets "cause" this glitch).

Just let yourself be fragged by a bot (standing on the snow), thats how it can be 100% reproduced.

Ok, I've tried IG Bifrost and...



it's there... :) yes, I could see it on a snowy surface.

When I tried it for the first time, I was there alone with a RL to see if this happens and that time it didn't show up (even the blood decals were alright). It doesn't happen to me with RL decals, but as for the blood decals, it's true.

Sorry for misleading you. :)

[legacy-Descentia]

Okay...I just played Bifrost too...I saw it (just once though :D)

*placing foot in mouth*

[legacy-SinisterÄsinus]

Originally posted by eldiablo2003
Here's a screen shot and my ut2003.ini plus my system specs... thanks for your help....

GF 4600, ASUS NFORCE m/b latest drivers with Dets 43.45 obviously running 2199 patch....

Decal bug - click here (http://www.paulfinn.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/decal.jpg)



Thanks a lot for posting your ini

It only took a year and a day in scrolling time.

[legacy-eldiablo2003]

sorry... erm *bump*

[legacy-Ravenant]

Originally posted by eldiablo2003
sorry... erm *bump*

No bumping! :mad:

;) <cough>

[legacy-Descentia]

Who's bumping...?

http://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies/contrib/blackeye/lookaround.gif

[legacy-eldiablo2003]

Bumping? Im not bumping!

[legacy-Ravenant]

Oh that's right, no one bumped it, was just my mistake. ;)

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Can someoen from epic please acknowledge this problem is being worked on or you are aware of this. I am about to go buy another video card but I want to know if it is the game or the cards. Please respond CLIFFYB DRSIN . Thanks

[legacy-Ravenant]

Originally posted by GORENOX1337
Can someoen from epic please acknowledge this problem is being worked on or you are aware of this. I am about to go buy another video card but I want to know if it is the game or the cards. Please respond CLIFFYB DRSIN . Thanks

From what I've heard/read, it sounds like it happens on any type of card.. gf4, gf2/3, ati radeon 97xx. So I guess it's some rendering problem in the game. Also, someone created a mutator for bullet holes and they said they couldn't do them on the terrain because it would put black squares around the bullet hole.

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Originally posted by Rav3nant
From what I've heard/read, it sounds like it happens on any type of card.. gf4, gf2/3, ati radeon 97xx. So I guess it's some rendering problem in the game. Also, someone created a mutator for bullet holes and they said they couldn't do them on the terrain because it would put black squares around the bullet hole.

Yes but not with patch 2184. Isnt that vierd?

[legacy-Ravenant]

Originally posted by GORENOX1337
Yes but not with patch 2184. Isnt that vierd?

Eh? Got a link to that?

[legacy-eldiablo2003]

One of the older patches did seem to cure it... but now... it's back.

Epic please respond! I dont want to be bumping this 4ever!

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Originally posted by Rav3nant
Eh? Got a link to that?

Cant find 2184 try 2186.

http://www.ut2003hq.com/pafiledb/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=1459

[legacy-Ravenant]

Originally posted by GORENOX1337
Cant find 2184 try 2186.

http://www.ut2003hq.com/pafiledb/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=1459

Tried 86, and it was still there. :cry:

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Originally posted by Rav3nant
Tried 86, and it was still there. :cry:

email cliffy see if he has 2184beta. I emailed DRSIN to see if he is aware of the problem.

[legacy-Ravenant]

Originally posted by GORENOX1337
email cliffy see if he has 2184beta. I emailed DRSIN to see if he is aware of the problem.

Awesome, btw I found the patch and I'm currently downloading it. I have an idea to try out if this patch does indeed fix it. It's going at 7k, but I'll update after I get the patch.

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Originally posted by Rav3nant
Awesome, btw I found the patch and I'm currently downloading it. I have an idea to try out if this patch does indeed fix it. It's going at 7k, but I'll update after I get the patch.

Cool thanks. I have not tested it yet. I am going off of that 'graphical glitches' thread.

[legacy-Ravenant]

Well, just tested that patch out, and while it's not totally fixed, it doesn't look near as bad. I could only really notice if i looked close.

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Originally posted by Rav3nant
Well, just tested that patch out, and while it's not totally fixed, it doesn't look near as bad. I could only really notice if i looked close.

I think they need to adjust the contrast on the explosion lighting effects. Make it darker by about 5%. I am waiting, as I'm sure are many people who play with decals and projectors, to hear from epic. Apparently they are unaware or belief it to be a problem with only a few people so its not worth looking into. I think there are few people who can play with decals and projectors enabled. I estimate about 10% of the people who play. Of those people I believe very few play enough to see it to complain about it. It doesn't mean that it is not a problem. By the way with the anistropic filtering turned all the way up it is barely noticeable.

[legacy-Ravenant]

Originally posted by GORENOX1337
I think they need to adjust the contrast on the explosion lighting effects. Make it darker by about 5%. I am waiting, as I'm sure are many people who play with decals and projectors, to hear from epic. Apparently they are unaware or belief it to be a problem with only a few people so its not worth looking into. I think there are few people who can play with decals and projectors enabled. I estimate about 10% of the people who play. Of those people I believe very few play enough to see it to complain about it. It doesn't mean that it is not a problem. By the way with the anistropic filtering turned all the way up it is barely noticeable.

Well, you know Epic has done a lot of little things. Like the small weapons and music play list. So maybe they will take care of this. AF kills my fps btw, so that's not really anything I can use. I play with projectors just fine, but it's when I enable the decals that I start getting graphic issues. Also, could you do me a favor and turn on dynamic lighting and goto CTF-Chrome and shoot a rocket at the light on the roof in the slanted hallways that lead to the rocket launcher/flak cannon (depending on which side you go in) and letme know if your light turns a weird color. Thanks!

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Originally posted by Rav3nant
Well, you know Epic has done a lot of little things. Like the small weapons and music play list. So maybe they will take care of this. AF kills my fps btw, so that's not really anything I can use. I play with projectors just fine, but it's when I enable the decals that I start getting graphic issues. Also, could you do me a favor and turn on dynamic lighting and goto CTF-Chrome and shoot a rocket at the light on the roof in the slanted hallways that lead to the rocket launcher/flak cannon (depending on which side you go in) and letme know if your light turns a weird color. Thanks!

Ill do it when I get home in an hour and post the results. I will shoot the light in the slanted hallway ceiling with a rocket launcher.

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Originally posted by Rav3nant
Well, you know Epic has done a lot of little things. Like the small weapons and music play list. So maybe they will take care of this. AF kills my fps btw, so that's not really anything I can use. I play with projectors just fine, but it's when I enable the decals that I start getting graphic issues. Also, could you do me a favor and turn on dynamic lighting and goto CTF-Chrome and shoot a rocket at the light on the roof in the slanted hallways that lead to the rocket launcher/flak cannon (depending on which side you go in) and letme know if your light turns a weird color. Thanks!


The silver plating around the light, the light cover, on the ceiling turns gold in some places and flickers alittle.

[legacy-Ravenant]

Originally posted by GORENOX1337
The silver plating around the light, the light cover, on the ceiling turns gold in some places and flickers alittle.

Oh! Im glad then... well kinda. :confused: I thought maybe something was wrong with my card.

[legacy-ZappyAd]

I think alot of coders saw this when trying to implement bullet holes in their mods. The problem seems to get worse the further you get from the decal. It is a glitch when drawing decals using a particular blending style.

I think there is actually something you can do in code that seems to avoid the problem so the mods are using that (we do) - its just that the UT stuff isn't coded that way...

[legacy-eldiablo2003]

*bump*

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Is this gonna be fixed Epic?

[Shadow]I[]

bump http://www.tournament.com/forums/images/smilies/bump.gif

[legacy-Ravenant]

Originally posted by GORENOX1337
Is this gonna be fixed Epic?

Yes, the people have a right to know! :mad::up:
<cough>

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

What's the Deal?:D

[legacy-ScaZZ]

Well i never had the prob with the pink squares, but b4 i installed the latest det. drivers i did get a similar thing on Iron Deity one time while playing against bots. It was a similar thing, but instead of being 'pink' the square around the scorch marks, was filled with 'Diva's face :) It was the face from the character select screen fer some strange reason. This never happened at any time after, and hasn't happened at all since the new dets. but there y go :D

Oh btw, i have my settings up full...... np's fer me at all, but by looking at all yer screenies, it would totally piss me off having that pink **** all over the place during me game :( Does it stay for as long as the scorch marks? Or is it just when the projectiles hit the ground? Either way, what a pisser... Epic need to get their finger out n address this pronto imho :)

L8rzz......

[legacy-Ravenant]

Originally posted by ScaZZ
Oh btw, i have my settings up full...... np's fer me at all, but by looking at all yer screenies, it would totally piss me off having that pink **** all over the place during me game :( Does it stay for as long as the scorch marks? Or is it just when the projectiles hit the ground? Either way, what a pisser... Epic need to get their finger out n address this pronto imho :)

L8rzz......

Yeah, it stays around untill the marks fade out. :cry:

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Apparently during the spring cleaning no one found the time to respond to a simple question. Is this issue going to be addressed in an upcoming patch?????

[legacy-ScaZZ]

LoL. Mebbeh they accidentally swept it under a rug? ;)

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Originally posted by ScaZZ
LoL. Mebbeh they accidentally swept it under a rug? ;)

It will keep peeking its head out everyday. Lets keep it going until they respond.

[fuegerstef]

Perhaps someone who is deep into UScript might tell HOW a BloodSplat Projector is spawned. (Use InstaGib* on the Usermap DM-Snipercamp to get the effect.)

I just had a look at the Projectors and at the projected Texture. What I thought is funny: Why is the Square actally RED? The Square around the Texture is grey! Where does the red come from? I think it's not a rounding error on light Terrain only, there must be something else screwed, otherwise the square would be light grey or white...

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

If you fire the rifle by itself in the distance if it hits the ground it forms a glowing pink square. This does not happen unless you fire about 50 to what ever feet in front of you, perspectively speaking.

[legacy-eldiablo2003]

interesting.... *bump*

[legacy-[A][Luzifer]]

Originally posted by Rav3nant
:o Yes epic please! It looks like major ass :(

http://www.planetquake.com/crypt/notfixed2218.jpg



Same Problem in CTF-Maul, around the Tree's.

[fuegerstef]

Oh, I see it's also red for black decals. So I assume it is a rounding error for bright Terrains the decal gets projected on...

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Apparently this cant be fixed or Epic would respond. I am very disappointed as it looks absolutely horrible on the snow maps. Big red square underneath an exploding body. Yep looks really good:down: :down: :mad:

[legacy-ScaZZ]

Bit ghey realy innit. Come on Epic, get yer finga oot!! These ppl bought yer game in confidence, sou can you not fix it so they can play it they way it's meant to be played? Oh and while we're at it, isn't that what Beta testing and game testers, bug testers etc are for? I can't believe they didn't know about this little flaw b4 it was released :( Boo! :down:

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Eh Epic?

[legacy-ScaZZ]

U think anyone at Epic has actually read this thread?
Perhaps a new topic on the subject of Epic's unfailability (is that a word?) towards bug fixing and user support in general should be started. i.e. how well they respond to questions asked of them about their game/products. I mean it isn't really too much to ask is it, to have a problem addressed, even if it's just to say that 'yes we know of the problem, but we aint got a scooby doo, how to fix it. We are however working on it'. :confused:

Nah, i do realise that they have a big enough job addressing all the other problems that get reported back, and doing whatever else it is they do, but some kind of response to this prob would be nice huh?

Just an acknowledgement?..... No?......... p l e a s e ? ? ?
:cool:

[fuegerstef]

Who of the Epic-Folks would be the one to adress this Problem at. I mean I'd like to help if I can make this game even better than it already is. So i'd like to pm or e-mail this problem to the person... ...trust me, I know how to be nice and make them read and respond to the mail. Hey even George Broussard of 3DRealms has answered an e-mail of mine...

[legacy-ScaZZ]

Not too sure tbh. DrSin? CliffyB? maybe ask one of the mods, Pez or xen?
:weird:

[fuegerstef]

I will ask Pez about it.

EDIT: Pez you have a PM.

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Blah Blah Blah Blah Fix it.

[fuegerstef]

I sent Pezman a PM yesterday, but he didn't answer. I will wait till the weekend and then try to mail someone from EIPC.
I won't give up ;)

[legacy-ScaZZ]

Keep on keeping on :)

[Plumb_Drumb]

Originally posted by fuegerstef
I sent Pezman a PM yesterday, but he didn't answer. I will wait till the weekend and then try to mail someone from EIPC.
I won't give up ;)

Took Pez a week and 3 days to respond to one of my PM's once. lol, i'd be more patient with him.

I'd email Vogel, Polge, or DrSiN for game issues tho :up:

[fuegerstef]

Originally posted by Plumb_Drumb
Took Pez a week and 3 days to respond to one of my PM's once. lol, i'd be more patient with him.

I'd email Vogel, Polge, or DrSiN for game issues tho :up:

OK, I will wait, I just read in another thread that he has not enough free time. But I am quite new, and do not know his status besides being a mod for this forum.
And I thought it would be good to ask him, before mailing ormessaging one of the Epic programmers and bothering them with something they might have nothing to do with...

[legacy-eldiablo2003]

*bump*...

[legacy-ScaZZ]

What's alll this *bump* stuff then?
:D

[legacy-DM_Agony]

They really need to fix that it looks like crap.

[Plumb_Drumb]

Originally posted by fuegerstef
OK, I will wait, I just read in another thread that he has not enough free time. But I am quite new, and do not know his status besides being a mod for this forum.
And I thought it would be good to ask him, before mailing ormessaging one of the Epic programmers and bothering them with something they might have nothing to do with...

Well, they have more to do with it than Pezman does, since it is part of the game.

I would suggest it. I made a thread about the "no instigator bug" and sent it in to Vogel or Polge (cant remember which person), and he said they would look into it.
WHat do ya know, it was fixed in the next patch (2225). However, they didn't completely fix it and I am about to start bugging them again ;)

[legacy-ScaZZ]

Don't spose this bug's been fixed with the new patch?

[legacy-eldiablo2003]

Hey, this topic hasn't been bumped for a while...

[legacy-DJnimby]

^^ and it should be. ever since the latest patch i get this bug, so im sure there are more people experiencing it now too :\

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

There are people out there experiencing this bug they just dont subscribe to this forum. And for good reason, apparently. Ostensibly this forum is for finding solutions to problems and receiving feedback from the moderators and techs as well as many other functions, but we know that isnt the case here.

[Plumb_Drumb]

Havent tested with the new patch (2225), but I doubt it is any better. Will try it though, and post my findings...

[fuegerstef]

Originally posted by Plumb_Drumb
Havent tested with the new patch (2225), but I doubt it is any better. Will try it though, and post my findings...

For me it isn't solved with 2225.

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Originally posted by fuegerstef
For me it isn't solved with 2225.

Epic please respond. The problem is still visible with my new 9700 PRO video card. Thank you.

[legacy-eldiablo2003]

Hmmm, still no response from EPIC or whoever... how rude!

SORT IT! pretty please, with knobs on.

[legacy-Ravenant]

Yes Epic, give us a headsup on this. :mad::up:

(btw, I wonder how many pages we will hit before we get a reply from Epic/DE/Pezman)

[fuegerstef]

I recommend that the original poster renames the thread to:

[EPIC] decals on terrain bug.

Then Epic would be adressed and perhaps they have a look at it (if they already haven't) and then it describes that it's not only blood decals but also the ones from the RL.

After they have looked at this thread it can finally be buried under all these OT posts that occur nowadays....

[legacy-ScaZZ]

Good point :up:

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Originally posted by fuegerstef
I recommend that the original poster renames the thread to:

[EPIC] decals on terrain bug.

Then Epic would be adressed and perhaps they have a look at it (if they already haven't) and then it describes that it's not only blood decals but also the ones from the RL.

After they have looked at this thread it can finally be buried under all these OT posts that occur nowadays....

I am positive EPIC has seen this but they either cannot fix it or dont want to fix it in fear of screwing something else up. Well Cain's LAIR is gone and I know why. No support on buggy issues. I will be leaving soon if this continues. I don't play glitchy games.

[Plumb_Drumb]

Well, while you are gone (knowing no one cares), we will be contacting Epic on the subject of the decal bug.

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Originally posted by Plumb_Drumb
Well, while you are gone (knowing no one cares), we will be contacting Epic on the subject of the decal bug.

That smart-azz comment was unnecessary.

[fuegerstef]

Originally posted by GORENOX1337
That smart-azz comment was unnecessary.

I agree, but it kept the topic on top.

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Originally posted by fuegerstef
I agree, but it kept the topic on top.

Yes it did didnt it:D

[Plumb_Drumb]

therefore it was necessary :D

and i take it back GORENOX... I'll care if you leave.
I just feel like being an @sshole today, hehe.

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Originally posted by Plumb_Drumb
therefore it was necessary :D

and i take it back GORENOX... I'll care if you leave.

Why thank you. This thread needs to stay on top. I wonder what this post will do.:D

[fuegerstef]

Originally posted by GORENOX1337
Yes it did didnt it:D

Of course it did.
Anyone disagree?

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Originally posted by fuegerstef
Of course it did.
Anyone disagree?

Well I dont disagree ofcourse since I said it.:D

[legacy-Desolator]

Originally posted by Plumb_Drumb
therefore it was necessary :D

and i take it back GORENOX... I'll care if you leave.
I just feel like being an @sshole today, hehe.


i dont care ;)

[fuegerstef]

Originally posted by Desolator
i dont care ;)

Any other opinions from all the INAers here in the forum?

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Originally posted by Desolator
i dont care ;)

"These are the people who drink but no longer care. These are the people who care but no longer drink." Name that movie. I'll give you a hint: Zuckers, Landis, Abrams.

[legacy-Desolator]

Originally posted by GORENOX1337
"These are the people who drink but no longer care. These are the people who care but no longer drink." Name that movie. I'll give you a hint: Zuckers, Landis, Abrams.


who cares? :D

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Originally posted by Desolator
who cares? :D

Nope. But close. It was the hilarious 'Kentucky Fried Movie' that the Zucker brothers did before the 'Airplane' comedy films.

[legacy-Desolator]

who cares?





btw never seen it

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Epic this really looks like crap. I just played bifrost instagib and pink and red squares were everywhere I killed someone. Bleh!:mad:

[legacy-eldiablo2003]

back to the topic... can somebody tell me how to change the name/title/subject of this thread???

Many thanx!

[Plumb_Drumb]

Hit the "edit" button on the first post in the thread and change the subject line. Leave everything else the same.

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

This thread has been here for a month and a day without a response from EPIC. This is retarded. They have responded to every other technical problem thread. Maybe this has been posted in the wrong place. The graphical glitches thread was responded to, although the answer was ambiguous.



quote:
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Originally posted by vogel
Dunno what is causing this though disabling "decals" will work around it.

-- Daniel, Epic Games Inc.
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Answer=:down:
Support= :down:


A work around is not a fix!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why don't I just disable everything and play it on the lowest setting for that matter:down: :mad:

[legacy-HS SPoT]

Not totally sure about this, but since I have never seen it either, Ill go ahead and post..

I believe it was found that if you set anything at/above Higher, that it reverts back to Normal due to no hardware supporting it.

So all you guys running UltraHigh settings are really just running Normal settings.

[legacy-webmaster696]

this either is:

1) nvidia only problem (works fine with 9700)
2) settings problem (works fine with 9700 on highest)

never even seen anything like this before on any system i've seen ut2003 on either. from geforce 2s and voodoo5s to radeon 8500s and my 9700. quit whining over something that is 99.9% user error.

[Plumb_Drumb]

Actually, someone here claimed to have it on thier new 9700Pro card.

[legacy-HS SPoT]

Originally posted by webmaster696
this either is:

1) nvidia only problem (works fine with 9700)
2) settings problem (works fine with 9700 on highest)

never even seen anything like this before on any system i've seen ut2003 on either. from geforce 2s and voodoo5s to radeon 8500s and my 9700. quit whining over something that is 99.9% user error.

I got the GF Ti4400 and no probs here

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

You people who claim to have no problems obviously do not know what you are talking about or looking for.

To Webmaster: 99.9% user error....hmmmm...I GUESS THAT MEANS MR. VOGEL DOESNT KNOW WHAT HE'S DOING EITHER? HE ADMITTED IT'S A PROBLEM!

To HS-SPOT: You are posting in this area trying to curb support for a problem you don't even recognize. Load up LavaGiant 2 with the INstagib mutator on and jump up on the wall(on the ledge)of the base facing the spore trees. Shoot the ground around the spore trees, behind them and in front of them. Notice as you shoot the ground closer to you the mark left is a glowing solid round circle. As you shoot the ground further away the circle is starting to be surrounded by glowing squares. You have to have decals on and need to have them set to high to see it better. This is an example that will make you aware of the problem then you will see it more often other places like instagib snow maps. BTW I have 6 friends in town that play and I have visited each one in the past 2 weeks and have seen this problem on all of their computers(2 of them are programmers for selectron).

[legacy-ScaZZ]

Ok, well i just tried what u said Gorenox, and although I've never had any probs at all (apart from the one where Divas face appeared instead of the wep splash decal, that one time), I did notice it slightly on LavaGiant2. When i say slightly, it was only when i fired at the ground that was sloping away from me. (Dunno if these means anything, maybe it's summin to do with the plane of the vertice?) And then i only noticed it when i jumped up n down, bcuz this caused the polygon to be more exposed than it would have been otherwise. anyway, regardless of wether or not i have a major prob or not, It IS most definately there, and if EPIC can't/won't do anything about it, i.e. support US, then WHY THE F**K should we support them by buying their bloody products, and hanging around their community forum keeping the community the game creates alive?

Hmmm dodgy EPIC, dodgy :(:down:

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Originally posted by ScaZZ
Ok, well i just tried what u said Gorenox, and although I've never had any probs at all (apart from the one where Divas face appeared instead of the wep splash decal, that one time), I did notice it slightly on LavaGiant2. When i say slightly, it was only when i fired at the ground that was sloping away from me. (Dunno if these means anything, maybe it's summin to do with the plane of the vertice?) And then i only noticed it when i jumped up n down, bcuz this caused the polygon to be more exposed than it would have been otherwise. anyway, regardless of wether or not i have a major prob or not, It IS most definately there, and if EPIC can't/won't do anything about it, i.e. support US, then WHY THE F**K should we support them by buying their bloody products, and hanging around their community forum keeping the community the game creates alive?

Hmmm dodgy EPIC, dodgy :(:down:

If you think that looked crapped, load up that bombing run retail snow map..err I am at work and cant remember the name.:confused: Make sure you have instagib enabled as a mutator. watch the ground beneath the bots you instagib. Especially watch the ground beneath you when you are instagibbed. Bleh! Looks awful! Epic Respond Please:sour:

[legacy-ScaZZ]

OMG. O..M..F..G!!!

Hmmmm not impressed at all @ Epic's handling of this. Just loaded up BR-Bifrost w Instagib, and well, what can i say... ghey ghey ghey and more ghey. Pink fkn squares all over the map. Lovely, NOT!!

EPIC, this isn't funny anymore, at least ffs respond with summin.

:down: :mad: :down:

btw, how can i upload a screenie?

[legacy-Ravenant]

Originally posted by ScaZZ
btw, how can i upload a screenie?


Find some where to host it then upload it their site and link to it here. But really, you don't need to post a pic. I already did. :p

[legacy-ScaZZ]

Nah i spose there's no point really huh, seeing as you allready put one up, but thx anyway :)

I just checked UT and the pink/blue squares DO disappear, but ONLY if u drop the the decal level to low or turn projectors off. I spose you could do this, but that isn't really the point is it? Whoever it was that said it was 99% user error, has obviously missed the point, it shouldn't be about what the user can or cannot do to improve/degrade the quality of the game, the problem shouldn't be there in the first place, even if u can solve it by tweaking. This means that u either never have projectors on etc, or u have to change the decal level for each map etc, depending on how bad it is.

Clearly a problem in my book, as many people that buy this game won't have the first clue about how to go about tweaking and will just leave it at defaults, where they will see the big pink gremlins all over the place and go, 'Euch! Look at that ****, crap game' etc....

Oh yeh, i'm not flaming that person (99% thing), but merely stating an argument :D

Ciao...

[legacy-webmaster696]

http://www.cchtml.com/x3dfx/ut2003_0.jpg

OMG OMG THESE THINGS DONT EXIST

this is why epic hates this forum idiots. the above picture is taken in LavaGiant, shot with the Instagib rifle, as directed by idiot #1. settings all on highest. decals on high. everything checked. 1024x768x32 resolution. 4x FSAA and 8x AA on a 9700. NOTHING IS WRONG.

[legacy-Ravenant]

Forum idiots? Webmaster we have pics/can post pics that show the problem. And like the above mentioned, it's not user error. Quit being a jackass, go make some friends or something.


http://www.planetquake.com/crypt/yeahok.jpg

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Originally posted by webmaster696
http://www.cchtml.com/x3dfx/ut2003_0.jpg

OMG OMG THESE THINGS DONT EXIST

this is why epic hates this forum idiots. the above picture is taken in LavaGiant, shot with the Instagib rifle, as directed by idiot #1. settings all on highest. decals on high. everything checked. 1024x768x32 resolution. 4x FSAA and 8x AA on a 9700. NOTHING IS WRONG.

Try standing on the front wall ledge facing the mountain , you are on the wrong side of the base,and the center walkthrough and shoot past the spore tree on the ground. Also load up that snow bombing run map and play it instagib. It's there. by the way that screenshot looks the same on my computer as well.

They exist you IDIOT!!!! You are not special.:mad:

Why dont you post some screenies of the ground underneath the bots you instagib on a snow map. Thats what I thought troll.

[legacy-ScaZZ]

Originally posted by webmaster696
OMG OMG THESE THINGS DONT EXIST


Erm, yes they do.
Have u not seen the pictures posted in this thread, or am i imagining it?

Also, why dont u try adding some 'bots' in to the map, kill them, let them kill you, and then look again. Maybe try BR-Bifrost aswell as you'll get a better idea.

To Quote Ren: "Stimpy you eeediot!!" lol :D

[legacy-webmaster696]

it just further proves your stupidity. change your frigging settings and get over it. sure. i'll take more screenshots just to show how stupid this is.

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Originally posted by webmaster696
it just further proves your stupidity. change your frigging settings and get over it. sure. i'll take more screenshots just to show how stupid this is.

Well I guess Vogel from Epic is Stupid as well right?
A trolling we will go...high ho the dairy-o...a trolling we will go:p

By the way try and doctor them up because we know you wont take back your #@$%.

[legacy-Ravenant]

Listen for one minute webmaster, and chill out....

This screenshot was taken with AF and AA ON and look, ta da, it's still there.

http://www.planetquake.com/crypt/yeahok2.jpg

[legacy-ScaZZ]

Originally posted by webmaster696
it just further proves your stupidity. change your frigging settings and get over it. sure. i'll take more screenshots just to show how stupid this is.

It isn't stupid. If you don't get this 'bug' then fine, well done, fair play etc etc, but there are many ppl out there that DO. Geddit?
As i have already stated, and everyone knows, the problem can be fixed by tweaking/changing things in menus blah blah..etc .. yawn.... but the fact of the matter is that it shouldn't be a problem in the first place. That's all we are saying. Is it not fair that we're allowed to voice our opinion, and use our freedom of speech? If you don't want any part of this, or think it's stupid or whatever, then quite simply, feck orf and keep yer nose out. If you like to hang about places you have no interest in, and/or see as being idiotic, then i'm sorry but i can't quite see why it is us that is being called 'idiots and 'stupid'.

Nuff said. Sniff :D

[legacy-webmaster696]

no need to doctor them idiot.

http://www.cchtml.com/x3dfx/ut2003_2.jpg

there is your bitfrost. OMG WHERE ARE TEH PINKY CRICLES AND FRICKY TRIANGSEL!?? how many more screenshots do i have to take to prove your "texture" problem is a problem on your end only. "OH BUT VOGEL SAID IT WAS THERE" no you idiot. change your settings.

you want a REAL bug? go check this out in LavaGiant, down at the bottom of the left side of the red base:
http://www.cchtml.com/x3dfx/ut2003_1.jpg

[legacy-Ravenant]

Webmaster, do this, ok? Load up Bifrost with tons of bots, and kill them IN THE SNOW, take a screenshot OF THE BLOOD (not the insta burn mark) and post it here. Thanks.

[legacy-ScaZZ]

Originally posted by webmaster696
no need to doctor them idiot.

http://www.cchtml.com/x3dfx/ut2003_2.jpg

there is your bitfrost. OMG WHERE ARE TEH PINKY CRICLES AND FRICKY TRIANGSEL!?? how many more screenshots do i have to take to prove your "texture" problem is a problem on your end only. "OH BUT VOGEL SAID IT WAS THERE" no you idiot. change your settings.

you want a REAL bug? go check this out in LavaGiant, down at the bottom of the left side of the red base:
http://www.cchtml.com/x3dfx/ut2003_1.jpg

ROFL what a guy. Arent u posting eslewhere in this forum under a diff nick??
Hmmm......

Also noone said it wasnt a prob 'on our end'. Thats fkn obvious, but it still comes down to the way it was coded or whatever. By Epic. Not us. Muppet.

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Originally posted by webmaster696
no need to doctor them idiot.

http://www.cchtml.com/x3dfx/ut2003_2.jpg

there is your bitfrost. OMG WHERE ARE TEH PINKY CRICLES AND FRICKY TRIANGSEL!?? how many more screenshots do i have to take to prove your "texture" problem is a problem on your end only. "OH BUT VOGEL SAID IT WAS THERE" no you idiot. change your settings.

you want a REAL bug? go check this out in LavaGiant, down at the bottom of the left side of the red base:
http://www.cchtml.com/x3dfx/ut2003_1.jpg

You are killing me Webtroller. The effect is not going to show up if you shoot the ground directly in front of you. Try posting a screenie where you are shooting what would be perspectively 40 to 75 feet away and also a screenie of the ground beneath a bot you just instagibbed on a snow map.. :haha:

[legacy-ScaZZ]

With bots. You know, those things that move about the level trying to kill you. Look a bit like people.

U want me to explain how to load bots as well?

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Originally posted by ScaZZ
With bots. You know, those things that move about the level trying to kill you. Look a bit like people.

U want me to explain how to load bots as well?

I have no idea why this guy is trying so hard to disprove the apparent problem. He must be a democrat.:haha:

BTW he must have found it because it has been a while since his last post.

[legacy-ScaZZ]

LoL. Well even so, here's a couple of my own pics. You can never have too much evidence. Epic take note.

http://scazzboi.tripod.com/main_files/pink_sq_1.jpg
http://scazzboi.tripod.com/main_files/pink_sq_2.jpg

Been asking some m8s 2nite as well. Yup, they have it. :(

[Plumb_Drumb]

I get this decal-square-bug thing too, even on highest texture detail, at 1280x1024 32 bit color. I use a GeForce4 ti4600.

You guys are right, it happens with blood, and some scorch marks, and looks terrible.

(although I have noticed this since day one of the games release, I am just supporting this thread more, because it is definitely a problem)

[legacy-ScaZZ]

Originally posted by Plumb_Drumb
I get this decal-square-bug thing too, even on highest texture detail, at 1280x1024 32 bit color. I use a GeForce4 ti4600.

You guys are right, it happens with blood, and some scorch marks, and looks terrible.

(although I have noticed this since day one of the games release, I am just supporting this thread more, because it is definitely a problem)

Thank you Plumb, that's exactly what this thread needs, a little support. This prob has been around since day one, so isn't it about time it was fixed? :)

[Plumb_Drumb]

and in response to Telzen, I have used 4 different drivers with UT2k3:

30.82
40.72
41.09
43.45

None of them have helped the situation, and somehow I doubt the drivers, or the video card, are the problem.

[legacy-Ravenant]

I was curious about this problem, and oddly enough, it happens in Unreal Championship as well. (UT2003 for the xbox, not that i expect them to fix it on the xbox, just pointing out that it's something with the engine)

[Daniel Vogel]

I've seen it happen before a couple of times here but never was able to reproduce it when I actually had time to look into it. I don't think it's driver related but rather a genuine bug in the engine. I have a rough idea what might be going wrong though it's going to take some time to track down as I've got a couple of other things on my plate I have to do first. Sorry about the delays.

FWIW, the troubleshooting forum is the right place to post things like this and it also has a sticky thread about bumping ;-)

-- Daniel, Epic Games Inc.

[legacy-Ravenant]

Vogel, thanks for replying, but there IS a thread like this in the Tech/Trouble shooting area and AFAIK you only replied telling us to turn off the decals. :/

[legacy-Descentia]

Originally posted by ScaZZ
Thank you Plumb, that's exactly what this thread needs, a little support. This prob has been around since day one, so isn't it about time it was fixed? :) Just thought I'd do the same.....I've seen this before (but not all the time), though IMO, it's really not all that noticable.

Thanx, vogel!!!:up: :up: :up: :D

[legacy-Ravenant]

Originally posted by Descentia
Just thought I'd do the same.....I've seen this before (but not all the time), though IMO, it's really not all that noticable.

Thanx, vogel!!!:up: :up: :up: :D

Descentia, you suxorz! :mad::down: What happened to your... other avatar?!

[legacy-Descentia]

HA HA HA!!!

Give me time, guy. I have to get over my (al-be-it short) Matrix craze. Only then will Crissy be back in her full nude glory.


erk...sorry 'bout the mistype up there..... ;)

EDIT: maybe I should have put "n|_|D3"

:D

[Daniel Vogel]

I agree, that wasn't really helpful. I have the attention span of a gnat so just keep sending me emails (preferrably with subject lines that don't look like spam ;)) every once in a while to remind me if you replied to a thread and want me to read it as I usually don't pro- actively browse the forums.

-- Daniel, Epic Games Inc.


Originally posted by Rav3nant
Vogel, thanks for replying, but there IS a thread like this in the Tech/Trouble shooting area and AFAIK you only replied telling us to turn off the decals. :/

[Plumb_Drumb]

Originally posted by vogel
I've seen it happen before a couple of times here but never was able to reproduce it when I actually had time to look into it. I don't think it's driver related but rather a genuine bug in the engine. I have a rough idea what might be going wrong though it's going to take some time to track down as I've got a couple of other things on my plate I have to do first. Sorry about the delays.

FWIW, the troubleshooting forum is the right place to post things like this and it also has a sticky thread about bumping ;-)

-- Daniel, Epic Games Inc.

Thanks for hte feedback ! :)
At least now we know that you know, and we can rest easy ;)

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Originally posted by vogel
I've got a couple of other things on my plate I have to do first. Sorry about the delays.


-- Daniel, Epic Games Inc.

UT2004? I know you can fix this decal problem. Thanks for responding.:D

[Daniel Vogel]

It looks like a content problem. The gray parts in the bloodspurt texture are "132,130,132" instead of "127,127,127" which causes the problems. Those textures should have never been compressed... Sadly this means that you most likely won't see a fix for the problem in the near future :(

-- Daniel, Epic Games Inc.

[legacy-Ravenant]

Originally posted by vogel
It looks like a content problem. The gray parts in the bloodspurt texture are "132,130,132" instead of "127,127,127" which causes the problems. Those textures should have never been compressed... Sadly this means that you most likely won't see a fix for the problem in the near future :(

-- Daniel, Epic Games Inc.

You can't make a new texture pack with JUST those files in the next patch?? :( :confused:

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Originally posted by vogel
It looks like a content problem. The gray parts in the bloodspurt texture are "132,130,132" instead of "127,127,127" which causes the problems. Those textures should have never been compressed... Sadly this means that you most likely won't see a fix for the problem in the near future :(

-- Daniel, Epic Games Inc.

Isnt this a simple change? Why can't they be uncompressed?

[legacy-peterbi]

I'd assume most of those decals may be in a single UTX file- so EPIC should post new UTX files to fix it.
ps- I have always had this decal problem - I thought it was driver related on my ti4200- guess not :)

[legacy-Antibody]

I've never seen this before until the latest patch. It happened once on BR-Bifrost and then never again. Athlon XP2400+ non overclocked geforce ti4200 also stock speed.

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Originally posted by vogel
It looks like a content problem. The gray parts in the bloodspurt texture are "132,130,132" instead of "127,127,127" which causes the problems. Those textures should have never been compressed... Sadly this means that you most likely won't see a fix for the problem in the near future :(

-- Daniel, Epic Games Inc.

It's more than just the bloodspurt texture's grayscale,as it does it without killing anything. If you want to check for yourself, load up any terrain map and fire in the distance at the ground with the super shock rifle.

[Daniel Vogel]

The problem is compressed modulated textures without an alpha channel. You can't actually represent 127,127,127 with DXT and it looks like the textures weren't completely 127,127,127 before compression which made it even worse.

-- Daniel, Epic Games Inc.


Originally posted by GORENOX1337
It's more than just the bloodspurt texture's grayscale,as it does it without killing anything. If you want to check for yourself, load up any terrain map and fire in the distance at the ground with the super shock rifle.

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Originally posted by vogel
The problem is compressed modulated textures without an alpha channel. You can't actually represent 127,127,127 with DXT and it looks like the textures weren't completely 127,127,127 before compression which made it even worse.

-- Daniel, Epic Games Inc.

Can this be fixed and can you give us a estimate as to when? June '03, etc. Thanks

[legacy-Descentia]

I don't understand it all, but it sure is t0ta1-c001ag3 to read about....:D

Thnx, vogel!!! :cool::up:

[Daniel Vogel]

It'll most likely be fixed in the next patch.

-- Daniel, Epic Games Inc.


Originally posted by GORENOX1337
Can this be fixed and can you give us a estimate as to when? June '03, etc. Thanks

[legacy-GORENOX1337]

Originally posted by vogel
It'll most likely be fixed in the next patch.

-- Daniel, Epic Games Inc.


You are the man:D :up: ;)

[legacy-eldiablo2003]

Mission accomplished!

El Diablo -OUT-

[legacy-Ravenant]

Originally posted by vogel
It'll most likely be fixed in the next patch.

-- Daniel, Epic Games Inc.

Rockin, now I can play with decals on! :mad::up: (now if only the assault and mini left bullet holes like an older <cough> version did. ;) )

[legacy-Descentia]

They did....??? :weird:

Cool beans. I never noticed that. :rolleyes:

[fuegerstef]

Originally posted by vogel
It'll most likely be fixed in the next patch.

-- Daniel, Epic Games Inc.

You (and the rest of EPIC) rock. :D :up:

[legacy-Ravenant]

Originally posted by Descentia
They did....??? :weird:

Cool beans. I never noticed that. :rolleyes:

Yeah, they did. I have a boat load of old ut2003 movies, and there's one that was on some German show and it didn't have the karma in yet or hardly anything, but there were nice looking bullet holes from the mini and assault.

[legacy-DJnimby]

mysterial (i think it was) has made a mutator that makes the mini & flak leave bullet holes!

check it out

[legacy-Ravenant]

Originally posted by DJnimby
mysterial (i think it was) has made a mutator that makes the mini & flak leave bullet holes!

check it out

Got that, only thing is it can't be used online unless the server is running it, of course. :o

[legacy-ScaZZ]

Aha! Just came on and read Vogels replies. W00t! At long last a reply :D Thx fer getting back to us on this 1 m8ty, much appreciated, let's hope you get it fixed fer that next patch eh;)

[legacy-peterbi]

Thanks for hearing us Vogel - you r0x0rz :)

[Plumb_Drumb]

All the people who denied the existence of this bug must feel pretty dumb right now ;)

[legacy-Ravenant]

Originally posted by Plumb_Drumb
All the people who denied the existence of this bug must feel pretty dumb right now ;)

Roger that! :mad::up:

[fuegerstef]

Originally posted by Plumb_Drumb
All the people who denied the existence of this bug must feel pretty dumb right now ;)

Yeah, but to some people it's more important to support the GFX card they are a fanboy of than looking for and helping to fix a bug ;).

[legacy-eldiablo2003]

*bump*

EPIC - Dont forget this anoying little bug in the next patch like you promised...

[Plumb_Drumb]

Oh man, I totally forgot about this thread, lol.
Yes, Epic, please remember to fix.

(I wonder how many other threads we could dig up that cover important bugs...)

[fuegerstef]

Oh, and while were at little glitches:


Fix the Minigun-Secondary-Fire-While-Running-Animation-Bug... ...it's a bit annoying...

[Plumb_Drumb]

Originally posted by fuegerstef
Oh, and while were at little glitches:


Fix the Minigun-Secondary-Fire-While-Running-Animation-Bug... ...it's a bit annoying...

I agree; make another thread real quick :)
(dont want this one going too off topic)

[legacy-eldiablo2003]

Hey guys... this is WEIRD...
I just tried Bifrost and Arakis again... THE PROBLEM HAS GONE!?
I haven't reinstalled my OS, UT2K3, drivers or anything!
What the hell is going on???

[legacy-eldiablo2003]

False alarm, just tested again, still those bloody big blocks of crap all over the place... still...

[legacy-SkullSquasher]

Hello folks its me that started the thread in the tech,well i have some news,I just got me hands on a new geforce fx5900 ultra and guess wot? all the glitches are gone yipee,wel i havent had much time to test it thoroughly but a quick shot of insta showed there were no squares,I will do further tests see wot happens

[legacy-SkullSquasher]

Nope further testing shows they still there,ah well :/

[fuegerstef]

Originally posted by SkullSquasher
Nope further testing shows they still there,ah well :/

Of course... ...vogel said it will be fixed in the next patch... ...and there hasn't been a patch since that statement... ...bugs like this just do not disappear by themselves.

[legacy-X0n3r0g]

So is this going to be fixed in UT2004? I sure hope so. :up: :D

I know vogel said maybe the next patch.

[legacy-CaptJackSparrow]

Originally posted by X0n3r0g
So is this going to be fixed in UT2004? I sure hope so. :up: :D

I know vogel said maybe the next patch. Yeah that is an annoying bug. :mad: I don't ever see it though because I play with low details... but the last time I played with high details, it was still there. :p (that was a while ago tho)