VIA Chipset WinXP/Nvidia Card Fix

[legacy-gavjof]

Hi all.

Just managed to play UT2003 for the first time for over 20 mins so far, thanks to the fix found here:

Original Patch Address (broken url):
www.pcbuyersguide.com/hardware/motherboards/VIA-Problems.html

New Patch Address: Test_driver1.zip (http://www.gavjof.com/assets/Test_driver1.zip)
ReadMe Address: Readme.txt (http://www.gavjof.com/assets/Readme.txt)

Download and READ the README in the BETA PATCH.

Here was our problem
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On both My System & my brothers system it quits to desktop and other times it needs a hard reset.

We can fool about with the menus and stuff but as soon as we try to play it crashes.

I think we have had 20 seconds of play at most.

Specs
==============
#1
ABIT KT7A-RAID
AMD Athlon 1.4
Win XP Pro SP1
512 MB RAM
Abit GF4 Ti 4200
Detonator Drivers 30.82
Creative Audigy Player

#2
ABIT KT7A
AMD Athlon 1800
Win XP Home SP1
256 MB RAM
GF2 MX440
Detonator Drivers 30.82
Creative Audigy Player

==========================

Anyway.
I still need to test more, but considering I've gone from it never woking to long play time I am very pleased.

Hope it works for others with similar problems/systems.

===================================
SUB NOTE

This also solved my BF1942 problems!! w00t w00t
It fixed another EA game - Tiger Woods PGA 2002.
It fixed GTA3 also.

Edited to fix broken urls 14/06/2004

[legacy-elbee]

Man, if I ever meet you I owe you a beer! =)

I have a setup pretty close to you and have had nothing but problems getting it to work. I spent hours trying everything I can think of to get it working. Just as I was about to give up I stumbled upon your post. I gave it a try and lo and behold it worked! Not only UT2 but other games that I was having similar problems with.

Thx again,

~elbee:)

[legacy-PhaL2]

we may have a winner here

i too after a fresh brand spanking new install of XP and fresh install of drivers was having no more than 10-20 seconds of gameplay before a hard reboot and looping errors was finally able to play one whole map...bbl

:up:

[legacy-PhaL2]

The whole fiasco reached something of a climax in Dec. 2001, when nVidia released an updated (23.11) version of its Detonator drivers that seemed to cause no end of troubles for Windows XP users of motherboards based on VIA chipsets. VIA responded to allegations of compatibility and stability problems in places such as the Via Arena forum by saying it was an innocent victim, and that the graphics drivers themselves were the source of the problems. However, this didn't stop the company from releasing a beta patch incorporating a fix expected to be part of the company's next version of the 4in1 drivers -- along with an apology for using end users as "guinea pig testers."


http://downloads.viaarena.com/drivers/others/Test_driver1.zip

[legacy-PhaL2]

THANK YOU!

5 straight maps with a O'clocked processor and an overclocked 4400
this bastard patch needs to be made official

[legacy-kathat]

abit kt7a, geforce2mx, athlon 1400.

Frames between 60 - 100 cause of settings in this forum-tread in d3d.

http://www.ina-community.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=206534

No crashes, no loop-errors.

It is great.

Many, many thanks to you....

[legacy-Ginga_Ninja]

You are a star. Installed the patch and just played a whole map without crashing.

Specs:-
Abit KT7A m/board
1gig Athlon processor
GF 4 ti4200
SB Audigy Platinum

Had problems with Warcraft 3 too, so I need to test that as well, but so far it looks like the problem's gone. :)

[legacy-gavjof]

Forgot to mention that the two mobo's I've got are the KT7A-RAID and the KT7A from ABIT.

[legacy-rapa-nui]

How do I know if my card is manufactured by VIA? It came with my Dell and under system infromation it tells me that it was manufactured by NVidia itself.

I don't want to install the patch withou being sure of this issue first.

Do I also need to downgrade my drivers before installing this?

[legacy-rapa-nui]

Oh... sorry... VIA is a MoBo manufacturer. I don't have one. So this fix is useless for me...
(sigh)

Thanks for your help anyway...

[legacy-martin.ca]

I have the ASUS TUV4X motherborad (for PIII), and it is using VIA 694T chipset.

Can I install this patch?
:bulb:

[legacy-gavjof]

Why not follow the link and download the patch.

You can then view the readme which has a few suggestions in it.

You do have the option of uninstalling it aswell.

If it were my board and it was not working, I'd give it a go.

=)

Been playing all day - sweet !

[legacy-gavjof]

Originally posted by rapa-nui
How do I know if my card is manufactured by VIA? It came with my Dell and under system infromation it tells me that it was manufactured by NVidia itself.

I don't want to install the patch withou being sure of this issue first.

Do I also need to downgrade my drivers before installing this?

Hmmm,

Sys Info says Nvidia, sounds like that is your graphics card, Unless you have an Nforce motherboard.

If you want to know what mobo you have, you could always power it down and remove the case. There should be stickers or other markings showing your model number.

Careful you don't void your warranty though.

Once you have that info, search the web for updates, etc.
Good luck

[legacy-Gus-UK]

@Mods sticky this so its not lost in the spam.

It's Best quick Fix Thread I've seen here yet.

thx Gavjof it helped no end

[legacy-zootm]

this fix is so good i registered to *bump* this thread

thank you thank you thank you

also MODS - STICKY THIS THREAD (as gus said) or at least put it in the announcements thread...

[legacy-The Hustler]

This did not fix my problem. :(

[legacy-yarrumc]

Although i didn't have to use this patch, i do want to emphasis on one other area that was my issue and may be yours:

I have read just about all the crash to desktop and lock up threads in this forum. I did experience both those problems, but more so the crash to desktop. I, like most everyone else, ended up starting the troubleshooting with a clean install of Windows. I am using XP, with SP1. I just installed one driver after another, to see what is or is not causing the issue. It didn't matter! I went through the motions, but nothing seemed to help, with software that is! After feeling confident that my issue wasn't my software on my system or any bugs that isn't yet fixed in the game, i had to turn to hardware.
My memory i had just replaced, was setup to "turbo" in my bios. I am using an Epox 8ka3+, with 512 mb 2700 ddr (nanya) chip. I decided, since i am not using the same memory with this setting and this is new software that i haven't ran with this new memory, i should then drop down the setting to "normal". Fortunetly, this seemed to fix some intermittent reboots and Windows errors that i didn't previously have with the old memory, but it didn't fix Unreal crashing. I happen to have the previous memory hanging around and popped it in. Back to turbo my settings went and now, no crashing! Could it be that Ureal is pushing the memory to it's fullest, that it actually is showing flaws in the memory? I have read this is one of the most demanding games to date on hardware. I think alot of us are spending too much time wanting it to be a software issue and not thinking it could ever be our hardware. I would have agreed, but i proved in my case, that this game is pushing my hardware and proved the Nanya stick to be subpar in this case. I swapped the memory with a valued picked Corsair and all was good, except again, i did have to use my memory's SPD readings in Turbo mode for no Windows or Unreal crashes to occur. Sorry for the long post, but i just wanted to go through my experience and if anyone hasn't underclocked all their hardware and gone from there, they should. You might be suprised that Unreal and or any other game might start to work. Take care and let's hope we all find that the Unreal programmers are doing their best to make this a kickin game and listening to our issues and fixing the real ones.

[legacy-Glyph]

Will try it tonight :)

AMD 1900+
XP SP1
GF4 ti 4400
512 MB 2700

Both the demo of 1942 as ut2k3 are constantly giving me endless loops. Often when i start the game and click on internet play it allready hangs. Hope it helps because i was like, oh no, i need to check my hardware :down:

[legacy-Jazper]

bump!!!

[legacy-zootm]

i'd just like to say thanks again, and this has helped me run GTA3 and max payne, along with a whole load of other programs that weren't working quite right.

[legacy-cjackson]

Ever since I got my Geforce 4 Ti4200 and installed the Via-4-1 drivers UT2003 was crashing exactly like everyone described. Now it runs great with no crashes :) UT2003 was running great before my reload and the UTpatch.

[legacy-Shadow Dragoon]

i got the patch and i installed it but nothing worked..

got a
P3 666 MGhz
Soyo motherboard,
256 Ram,
win Xp,
and a old Geforce 256 :cry: ...

the game works for liek 10 secs ans it crashs... need help plz

[legacy-Glyph]

Originally posted by Shadow Dragoon
i got the patch and i installed it but nothing worked..

got a
P3 666 MGhz
Soyo motherboard,
256 Ram,
win Xp,
and a old Geforce 256 :cry: ...

the game works for liek 10 secs ans it crashs... need help plz

The patch is for VIA chipsets so unless Soyo is a family i dont think it works m8....

[legacy-LaTeM]

and the Voodoo users ??

[legacy-DegreeZ]

Okay, i have a intel 850E chipset......

[legacy-lukemason]

Will this work for the intel 850 chip set ?
i have a P4 1.3 gig and a nvidia geforce 3 ti500

will this work for me ?

[legacy-Shadow Dragoon]

Originally posted by Glyph
The patch is for VIA chipsets so unless Soyo is a family i dont think it works m8....

damn :( ... is there anyother way to fix this prob ?

[legacy-Shadow Dragoon]

anyone ??? no ???

[legacy-ConcordDawn]

OMG this actually helped! thank you!

(new drivers, bios updates and underclocking didn't help)

Using MSI K7T Turbo (VIA KT133A), Athlon 1.13GHz, ASUS Ti4200.

[legacy-PhaL2]

BUMP

this patch solved my crashing problems in RETAIL too

VIA chipsets only apply.

[legacy-Shadow Dragoon]

but isnt soyo motherborads from VIA ?

Edit: i just checked now : i see on the motherboard : VIA VT82C694X

[legacy-Rocks1961]

FYI, I have all the described issues, but on a ALI chipset board.

Runing the game via udebugger works great!

[legacy-Calcartman]

Bump! I too would like to buy you a beer for this! MY game would not run before, it now runs perfectly!!! THANK YOU!!!!! :) :) :D :D

[legacy-boneman]

just found this after searching the forums, and it works for me, the 23.11 drivers were stable with my geforce2m, i applied the patch and i can now run with 30.82 drivers, which has given me a slight increase in the benchmark (1024x768 flyby = 40.342999
botmatch=23.144758 with 30.82; 38.131470 and 22.038574 with the 23.11's)
Even if you have installed the newest via drivers (as i had) you may still need this patch.

btw, do the 40.72 give any boost gor geforce2mx cards or are they only for the newer cards?

[legacy-diablo4u]

hi my name is koren.
this is my computer spec: (i m only 14 and from israel so there may be some mistakes - please post me a replay)
intel p3 1000
256 ram
40 giga 7200 rpm
gforce 2 gts 32mb
sblive
19inch mag
cuv4x-c asus motherboard (i recently updated my bios from 1004 to 1007. i have downloaded the update from asus.com)
i have via 4 in 1 vr 4.43.
windows xp sp 1.
detenator vr 3.0.8.7 from windows xp auto update!

should i install this patch?
was it right to install the via drivers at all? in the first weeks i had xp i didnt install any drivers of via at all!
please answer me.... i need the help!

the game is working but after sometimes 15 or even 40 it crashes to desktop! also gta3 nhl 2003 hitman2 and meny more!
all the games are isos form the net only unreal2003 is real.

p.s
unreal is the first game i bought ever! hihihi!

[legacy-steef]

DUDER, the VIA 4in1's are VERY important... screw windows not telling you to specifically to install them... well, if they wont I WILL! INSTALL THEM THERE 4in1's! :)

if u use a via board(chipset based board rather) then u need to get ur 4in1's... if u then install them and the game is funky stinky, then get this patch...

Im trying the patch now, but i sorta fixed my problem kinda*

AS FOR U GUYS WITH INTEL CHIPS, this patch isnt for you... only for VIA chips... and u sis guys can forget it too, your problems are different, and there will be a fix if theres any probs... SiS usually never have probs tho... and intel 850 guys should be able to troubleshoot a lot easier than VIA/AMD users.... But if ur an inteller and u have a prob... KEEP trying :-p

[legacy-diablo4u]

so can i install the patch or not?
i already have the 4.43 4 in1
i have an asus cuv4x-c motherboard

can somebody please go to asus site and search this motherboard (its very easy) and tell me if its a via or something else!

are u guys talking on a motherboard type or on a proccor type?
my proccor is intel not via.
can somebody please explain to me?

[legacy-Puer Aeternus]

Originally posted by diablo4u
so can i install the patch or not?
i already have the 4.43 4 in1
i have an asus cuv4x-c motherboard

can somebody please go to asus site and search this motherboard (its very easy) and tell me if its a via or something else!

are u guys talking on a motherboard type or on a proccor type?
my proccor is intel not via.
can somebody please explain to me?
Search the site your self..are you lazy or blind:bulb:
(kidding)

[legacy-gavjof]

Your model (CUV4X-C) would appear to be based on a VIA chipset.

See here http://usa.asus.com/mb/socket370/cuv4x-c/overview.htm

The ASUS CUV4X-C Mainboard is based on the new VIA® 694X

Yes, I would try the 4 in 1 drivers from VIA and/or this fix.

Hope this helps.

[legacy-diablo4u]

tnx i will try it!
and i m not blind and i already searched the site. didnt u see that i wrote that i downloaded an update! i just wanted u to tell me so i can be sure. my english is not in the sky!

[legacy-diablo4u]

hlp
look up in the previuos nsg

[legacy-Puer Aeternus]

Dont know if this helps?
My ECSK7S5A plays UT2003 just fine w/ no crashes! It also runs WinXP SP1 w/ no probs.
My AsusA7V133 will not play UT2003 nor run SP1....so basically i begining to think that via chipset is not as hot as I once thought..it also explains why my ECS rig is rock solid and my Asus is FORD(fix or repair daily):down:
(i am not saying that asus or via is bad but my particular MOBO in comparison to my ecs is night and day!)

[legacy-MastaST]

I LOVE YOU! I cant tell you how happy I am that someone finally found a fix...I was getting hardlocks looped sound, GPF's, random reboots...now its ALL fixed...Thank you so much.

[legacy-Udat]

wow i owe u a beer m8!! rokin got me gf4 back up to warp3 and no hang ups now,, nice one!!!

[legacy-Bowch]

Lo,

Specs
==============
#1
AMD Athlon 1.33 (oc'ed to 1.4)
Win XP Pro
768 MB RAM
Inno3D GF2 Ti
Detonator Drivers 40.72
Yamaha DS-XG Soundcard

Was experiencing the same problems as most people here; downloaded and ran the Beta patch and UT2003 runs a dream, also fixed problems I was having with GP4.

Kudos to gavjof

Here's a link to the file again...
Direct Link To The Beta Patch (http://downloads.viaarena.com/drivers/others/Test_driver1.zip)

[legacy-Puer Aeternus]

I tried the via beta patch :( it did not change a thing for me...game still does not work!

Funny how it plays fine on my other rig(ecs mobo)..prob is my other rig does not have my GF4ti4200 and I am not swapping cards so my roomies can play my game!!!:mad:
I have come to terms that I may need to upgrade my asus a7v133, seems that it has more probs than my ecs k7s5a. I may just buy another ecs mobo as a cheap upgrade..prob is she is a pain in the A$$ to O/C!!

[legacy-dbd]

this fixed my problem, I'm now no longer stuck with 28.xx drivers, thanks.

I'm going to email via, msi (my graphics card manufacturer), nvidia and the UT2003 people (to try and get this thread sticky) so that everyone can know about this. I wonder why it isn't in the new 4in1 via drivers, this fix is over a year old!

[legacy-ninepound]

Yet another user that owes you many, many beers. If it was possible to paypal a case of beer i certainly would (beerpal? Could be the next big internet thing....).

What amazes me is that this hasn't been fixed already. I just bought the game a few days ago and have spent the better part of all my free time trying to figure out what was making UT2003 crash. That "beta" fix did the trick. Thank you very, very, very much.

Until this fixed it, i had to run my computer at 1.3ghz, 100mhz for the ram and nothing, i mean NOTHING in the bios set to anything but low. I don't think anything feels as bad as having to *underclock* your computer. Now i'm back up to turbo speed, 133mhz, cas2, 4way interleave ram settings. Also, i can set everything really aggressive again (chipset performance, etc...).

Again- thanks a lot.

Dave


Abit KT7A-raid
1.4Ghz Athlon
MSI GF4 Ti4200
1.5 gigs of pc133 ram

[legacy-De@thByPING]

:)

It`s been a looooooong time since I saw a random act of kindness.
;)

I got my machine workin well a couple of weeks ago BUT...

Dude you have made a LOT of people very, very happy, give yourself a pat on the back, sit back in your chair, know that you will always be able to come here for help and feel good about yourself.

You have been a positive not a negative.

<the forum stands up and cheers>

Respect

:up:


EDIT : just for the record in the hope it might help someone :
A7V333, same problems as described, this is what fixed it for me :
http://www.ina-community.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=242519
:)

[legacy-gavjof]

Glad to hear from all you nice people.

Beerpal would be a niche in the market !

Don't worry about the beer - just join us for a game sometime.

aliases:

gavjof^1 ( gav )
gavjof^2 ( jof )

[legacy-mrmoray]

Does anyone still have this file that can send it to me. Everytime I try to download the file from viaarena I get an error or just nothing at all. The error says its not a valid ZIP file.....lotta good that does me!

Anyway, if some can send it to me, or post it somewhere I can download it from, that would be greatly appreciated.

TIA

[legacy-ninepound]

I threw it up in my web space:

http://users.eastlink.ca/~dcyr/images/Test_driver1.zip

Should be fine from there.

Dave

[legacy-mrmoray]

thank you!

[legacy-ninepound]

No problem- hopefully it works out for you.

The VIAarena site is really really bad. When i tried to download the latest "hyperion" drivers it took me about 30 times of trying to connect and then about 20 minutes to download that darn 1.3 meg file. Sloooooooow site.

[legacy-LORDRAVEN666]

this test driver didnt do a damn thing for me. i still get the same ole error as always.

UT2003 Build UT2003_Build_[2002-12-17_23.50]

OS: Windows XP 5.1 (Build: 2600)
CPU: AuthenticAMD PentiumPro-class processor @ 1602 MHz with 511MB RAM
Video: NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4600 (4109)

General protection fault!

History: RenderLevel <- FLevelSceneNode::Render <- FPlayerSceneNode::Render
<- UGameEngine:raw <- UWindowsViewport::Repaint <- UWindowsClient::Tick <-
ClientTick <- UGameEngine::Tick <- UpdateWorld <- MainLoop

i crash every 2 or 3 matches single player and multiplayer.
i have tried everything most people could come up with. every nvidia driver i could find. messing with all the options in the game. latest via 4in1 drivers. latest audigy drivers. latest mousware drivers. latest award BIOS. messed with the refresh rate. removed direct x with direct x buster and reinstalled 8.1. i reformatted too. i did many other things that i cant think of at the moment but the list goes on and on and i am totally stumped.

[legacy-ninepound]

Crap man- and your crashes sound kind of sporadic, so it would be that much harder to find a culprit.

Does your system just totally crash (freeze/reboot), or does it just quit the program? If it's just quitting the program, you can check your event viewer to see what XP thought the problem was. You might have already done that, but i figured i'd throw it out there.

Even with this beta/memory fix, the game occasionally locks up on my system for a 1-3 seconds every 3 games or so. It certainly doesn't crash anymore though. I really think that most of these problems are memory related- UT seems to really stress the memory in particular. Have you tried going into your bios and "dumbing down" the memory just a tad to see if it's more stable?

The fact that you formatted and it still screwed up on a fresh install kind of leads me to think that it's a hardware thing, because that's the constant in all of your tweaking. OR, it could be a directx thing. Have you tried running in OpenGL just to see how that is?

[legacy-LORDRAVEN666]

i have tried to mess with the memory but when i did i couldnt boot up and i had to take off the case and reset the cmos jumpers. i guess i am just not doing it right nor do i really know how to. yes i have tried opengl it does the same thing. the game closes to my desktop and that error pops up. i am using the shuttle ak31 v3.1 motherboard with via kt266a chipset.

[legacy-ninepound]

So what error is coming up in your Event Viewer?

[legacy-LORDRAVEN666]

no errors just a dchp warning which is another xp problem i have when i double click on my dsl it takes a couple minutes to connect but that has nothing to do with it at all. just another unsolvable problem i have.

[legacy-ninepound]

I get that DHCP warning as well- 1 or 2 a day, but i'm on a cable modem.

I really hope you solve your problem. If i think of anything i'm going to post it. And if you manage to come up with a fix, let me know- i'm always interested in how annoying problems like these are eventually fixed. Sometimes it's the weirdest little thing that'll do it.

[legacy-LORDRAVEN666]

i been on the phone with infrogrames tech support since monday-friday for at least an hour each day they opened a whole new case just for my error and they are totally stumped as well.

[legacy-dmcbride]

Could someone please post a download link for this via patch? I cant for the life of me find the link on fileconnect....when I go to the above link (even after logging in) it directs me to the main news page...

Anyone please help???

[legacy-ninepound]

http://downloads.viaarena.com/drivers/others/Test_driver1.zip

[legacy-dmcbride]

Damn! Didnt work for me.

Specs:
MSI K7T266 Pro2
Geforce 2 GTS
amd 1700+

cant even load last level on domination...throws me to desktop each time.=\

[legacy-LORDRAVEN666]

i changed my memory setting from 1t command to 2t command i did get a blue screen but not the same ole error. the bluescreen i am sure wont be hard to track down. 5 maps and no mainlop error yet so i am hoping that did it

[legacy-ninepound]

Right on, Raven. I figured that some memory changes might do it. I hope it fixes it for good.

[legacy-mluckey]

I normally don't post if there are enough posters on a given subject, but this time I will. Firstly, I have had no problems on any of my three VIA mobos, and all are OC'D rather heavily at times (no patches). My current Play-Rig, Abit KR7A-133, had similar problems to what you all are saying, but it was simple to fix. I bought high end memory. You can buy cheap PC2700 and have it perform like PC2100, or you can buy High-End PC2100 and have it perform like PC2700. Second, Most of the so called "fixes" center on memory timings, etc. You can do alot with most modern boards to raise and lower memory timings and delays. Try it and fix everything, with no patches, and fewer headaches.

[legacy-Liquidrage]

This is not a fix.

The main loop crashing bug is still there for many of us after installing this.

I'm not even saying it's Epic's fault. Maybe its a AMD problem but I think I've seen some Intel crashes with the same symptoms. I don't know. But it is a very frustating bug.
We need a stickey for Main Loop crashing.

[legacy-ninepound]

It *IS* a fix- just not for your particular problem.

[legacy-Liquidrage]

My particular problem is the same one many people are having.

Look this the list, it didn't do a damn thing for most of the people that came back and said they tried it.

I'm using both XP and a VIA chipset. And like most of the people that tried it, it didn't do a damn thing.

Does it fix something? Maybe, but not the main loop problem that many many people are having.

[legacy-ninepound]

You're right. I'm wrong. Happy?

[legacy-Liquidrage]

No. I'm not happy. Because I have a major bug that no one official seems to give a rat's ass about.

I don't care who's right or wrong.
It's a WTF?
This problem has been around for a long time and a lot of people still have it and the best support I can find for it is this thread which didn't even seem to fix the problem for most people.

What I want is someone from the company to at least say,
"We're looking into it and trying to fix it".

And I have the demo which runs totally stable for me.
The problem is only in the 1st and 2nd release patches.
I don't even need the patch for the demo.

[legacy-ninepound]

The only (and i mean *only*....) thing i was pointing out was you saying that "It's not a fix".

It IS a fix, for god's sake. Just not for your problem. How you could argue that is beyond me. It's like you saying "Chemotherapy is crap- it did nothing for my hangnail".

You obviously have a different problem. And it's a problem that lots of other people have, but that doesn't mean the info in this thread is not a fix.

I'd suggest you check out this thread if you haven't already:

http://www.ina-community.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=216579

It's super long and has way too much information in it, but there's lots of other approaches to fixing these common and annoying problems.

[legacy-kenzok]

Ok, folks i fixed the main loop problem... It was so simple I don't know why I didn't try it before

I have a soyo kvta9 pro mobo with the via chipset....AMD Athlon 1700+ 832 MB of ram and a Geforce 3 TI200

I flashed my MOBO Bios with the latest from soyo and eureka problem solved with this and Simcity4.......

Hooray!!!!!!!

Good luck flashing.......

[legacy-Spacemonkey]

Originally posted by LORDRAVEN666
i changed my memory setting from 1t command to 2t command i did get a blue screen but not the same ole error. the bluescreen i am sure wont be hard to track down. 5 maps and no mainlop error yet so i am hoping that did it

I think this is a memory issue also. At least some of it. I pulled my memory out of TURBO mode and set it to FAST and everything started to work ok. So far. :):):)

[legacy-superbeast82]

After getting General Protection Faults, DirectX errors, and reboots. I am glad to say that this patch fixed all my issues. I went from being able to play for two seconds to playing for over two and a half hours straight with no problems at all.

Abit KT7A
AMD Athlon 1GHZ@1.4GHZ
512MB Crucial SDRAM PC133@140
Nvidia GeForce 4 TI4200 (stock speed)
Windows 2000 Pro/SP2
VIA Hyperion 4in1 v4.45
Nvidia Detonator ver. 41.09
DirectX v. 9.0

[legacy-Spacemonkey]

It's funny, I upgraded my video card bios (GF4 Ti4200) and used the drivers that come with the program (4201) and no crashes so far. :):):) I even went back to TURBO with my XMS. :):):)

[legacy-hai_ok]

I just downloaded and read the readme and got the beta patch installed.

S W E E T.

KT7-A RAID
1.4 GHZ Athlon
1.5 GB RAM
GeForce 4 Ti-4200 (128MB)
SB Live Value
Win XP

UT2k3 had always crashed out to desktop or later to some error when I got updated UT and updated Video card drivers.

now it plays like a dream.

I never post here. and probly never will again.
But this has disturbed me for a long time.

So I wanted to say thanks to everyone for their input here.
I don't know if I would have ever found the VIA Service Patch without reading your posts here.

IT WORKS!!!

so hey, um... thanks everyone! :)

[legacy-ninepound]

Wow, hai-ok- you have almost the exact same specs as i do. I wonder if there's a certain combo of hardware that's causing this problem.

I'm glad that it worked for ya- it's a frustrating problem.

[legacy-Seth Gecko]

I would like the know if i Can use this Patch???

Here my System:

AMD Athlon XP 2400+ (WINXP)
512MB
GF4TI4400 with 128MB Detonator 41.09 DirectX 9
ASRock Motherboard
Via Chipset KT266A

Can someone give me the Link because i can't find it on the site gavoj has post!!!!

My Problem:

Allways GENERAL PROTECTION FAULT and a land on the Desktop!!!!

THANX

[legacy-gavjof]

http://www.gavjof.dsl.pipex.com/Test_driver1.zip

Try that link

[legacy-Sedriss316]

i got a Asus P4S533 mb and it uses the SiS 645DX chipset.. n e one know if there is a patch for it?

[legacy-NorthwindBomber]

This worked for me...... i couldnt play more than 5 mins without getting chucked back to desktop before i used this patch....I took a risk as i have 98se not XP, but my problem was the same asall others....................... now ive been playing all day and night.... NO crashes!!!!! THANKYOU!

98se
1.2AMD
576Meg Ram
Ti4200OTES

[legacy-Grendel Prime]

After several attempts to try and fix this problem (reading forums, trying new driver, reformatting, etc..) it is still here. I lock up in all 3D games and it's getting really frustrating. Locking up and looping is annoying anytime it happens....but when it happens EVERY time you play it sends you over the edge. I have tried the test driver patch - no results. Heres my setup:

Athlon xp 1800
Win XP Pro
KT266 Pro2A (VIA)
GF4 4200

If anyone ever figures this out please post it up. The solution i have come to is this -- never gonna buy another VIA chipset ever again!! This is ridiculous.

[legacy-ninepound]

So you tried the beta fix and it didn't work?

It's odd that your computer is locking up in all games- most people say that just UT does it. To me, it sounds like you have a hardware problem. You might have done this already, but make sure that your soundcard isn't in the slot under the AGP slot. In fact, if you can leave that slot open, do so.

Also, if you have more than one stick of ram, try pulling one or the other to eliminate that as a problem. If, after all of that it's still not working, try swapping your vid card with someone else's just to see if the card is possibly defective.

*edit* Also, have you tried the newest motherboard drivers?

[legacy-Lieutenant Leadcock]

Ok, so heres my problem.

I get the old hardlock with repeating sound when im playing but only sometimes. Some nights I play for 4 hours without a hitch and other times I play for 3 minutes then hardlock. I have also had my system lock when I was browsing for a netgame, more than once, now I rush in and click on a favorite and play while I can. I ALSO get BSOD when I let it idle in game for more than a minute or two. I ALSO get dump to desktop GPF errors.

I had this problem before, and setting my RAM to less aggresive timings did the job for me. The latency patch and tweaking the mobo settings definitley leads me to beleive this is nothing more than memory issues, even if you have quality RAM. When I get home, i will install the 21.86 patch to see if that works and if not, im going to set more conservative values for my RAM and see if that helps. My last resort will be the beta patch.

Heres my setup
MSI K7T266 Pro2 RU
Athlon XP 2100+ w/ vantech Aerocool (34C idle/39C load)
Gainward Powerpack Ultra750XP GS Ti4600 128MB (downclocked from 370/720 to help stability in ut2k3, no change)
2x256MB Corsair XMS2400 DDR set at 2-5-2 1T FAST with Thermaltake heatspreaders
SB Live! Platinum 5.1
550Watt Antec TP ps
Antec sx1030B w 4 38CFM fans (32C~35C)

SOON I should be replacing this setup with an MSI K72NG-LISR, goodbye VIA!!! Ill update when I have my problem solved.

U like lowgrav, giant maps and crotchshot? Hit my server, Leadcocks ChiTown Ghetto Getdown.

[legacy-Grendel Prime]

Originally posted by ninepound
So you tried the beta fix and it didn't work?

It's odd that your computer is locking up in all games- most people say that just UT does it. To me, it sounds like you have a hardware problem. You might have done this already, but make sure that your soundcard isn't in the slot under the AGP slot. In fact, if you can leave that slot open, do so.

Also, if you have more than one stick of ram, try pulling one or the other to eliminate that as a problem. If, after all of that it's still not working, try swapping your vid card with someone else's just to see if the card is possibly defective.

*edit* Also, have you tried the newest motherboard drivers?

Hey Ninepound...yeah it locks in all games for the most part. It does it in BF1942, Neverwinter and UT (Only ones i regularly play.) And as pointed out above it will also do it when browsing servers in game too. Slot under AGP is open as well. Not to mention i have all the latest drivers for mobo and still blows. (Not touching Hyperions though) About the only thing i havent tried is screwing with the RAM. I honestly don't think that its that bc trust me...i have read MANY forums on this and my situation is certainly not unique. I WILL try swappping RAM and the like but i am far less than optimistic that its gonna help me in any way shape or form. I also just purchased a new 420Watt PSU last week so its not that either. I truly believe its the mobo and cant wait to get an NForce2 to get this crap out of my comp. Thanks for the reply though its appreciated.

[legacy-ninepound]

Sounds like you've tried a lot of options, Grendel.

I really think it's a memory problem for the most part- it usually boils down to that. Sometimes you just never know. You could get a new motherboard and everything will work, but that doesn't mean it's the motherboard's fault, particularly. It could just be a combo of equipment that you have in there doesn't like each other.

Hell, i blamed the game itself for a LONG time until i managed to find that beta driver fix. Obviously, i was totally wrong. And i couldn't really blame Via either- everything else worked fine. I could have my computer render 3D out of Max5 for days straight and nothing went wrong. UT2K3 just managed to find a weakness and they issued a patch to fix it.

Bottom line is that computers are mean little beasts. haha. Good luck.

[legacy-BlackCoffee]

Another success story.

I've been getting reboots ever since 2186. So I updated the Hyperion 4in1 4.45? Drivers, (the newest one's however). www.viaarena.com. However though it didn't fix the problem totally, until I downloaded this beta driver as well. I'm also running the 30.82 Nvidia Drivers becaue for some reason the 40xx driver's won't pass my Windows logo or whatever? Even though they are WHQL certified. Weird, eh? Anyhoo, I'm hitting 160 fps sometime's so it's all good.

[legacy-Lieutenant Leadcock]

Well, to report back, last night a readjusted my RAM timings from 2-5-2 1T FAST to 2-5-2 2T FAST command off, and have been playing for hours without a boot, lockup or BSOD. I do notice a very slight FPS drop, but nothing to spectacular, and that might actually be ping lag cuz I got downloads going on the server.

Relax those RAM settings and see what happens!:haha:

[legacy-KrackaKilla]

I got this same problem but im on win2k and the pacth dont work :(

[legacy-HyperMan]

Well I've had this problem too. I've installed the patch and the newest 4 in 1s and it didin't help. What else could be causing this? Its not just this game either.

[legacy-Grendel Prime]

Gonna buy an nForce2 this week hopefully. If everything works after that install, its gotta be the VIA chipset. I'll let you know.

[legacy-Grendel Prime]

Installed ASUS A7N8X nForce2 on Thursday. Have yet to have a crash yet. So THIS is what it's like to play without problems. Couldn't be happier. What an amazing mobo. This thing rocks!

[legacy-marty56]

Originally posted by Grendel Prime
Installed ASUS A7N8X nForce2 on Thursday. Have yet to have a crash yet. So THIS is what it's like to play without problems. Couldn't be happier. What an amazing mobo. This thing rocks!

I just switched to the below system and I am having random crashes in both UT2003 and Unreal 2. What are your system specs and drivers?.

[legacy-Grendel Prime]

I am currently using:

Win XP Pro
Athlon 1800
ASUS A7N8X
512mb PC 2100
MSI Ge4 4200 128meg
Drivers 42.86

I just finished playing Unreal2 for several hours everything "high" without a single blip. Super stable thus far. I havent't tried 2K3 and prolly won't. Most likely not gonna re-install it. Maybe later sometime. Sad to say....

[legacy-jotpilot]

Slightly off thread but my solution to UT2003 crashes...

Old system:

GA-7DXE
XP 2000+
512 Mb PC2100
Creative Ti4200 64Mb
Audigy 1 Player
Win XP Pro SP1 / Nvidia 41.09 / DirectX 8

After countless and fruitless attempts to fix my continuous UT2003 crashes, I swapped the game for MS CFS3, after reading the numerous problems with UT2003 on this forum, assuming it to be the game itself.
Unfortunately, CFS3 was nearly as bad. Nothing software based I did fixed it.
After researching the hardware setup, I figured the mobo was probably to blame (it is a hybrid AMD northbridge and the dreaded VIA VT686 southbridge). Sure enough, after getting my pc builders to swap it for a GA-7VA (VIA KT400/VT8235 chipset), CFS3 now runs perfectly, and MUCH faster with the same other hardware (RAM, CPU, GPU etc).

Cheers

Just bought UT2003 again, as predicted it runs perfect with CPU voltage at +5%, all settings maxxed out.

[legacy-Seth Gecko]

Can i use the patch????

My System:

AMD Athlon xp 2400+
Asus Motherboard A7V8X Via KT400
512MB RAm
GF4TU4400

[legacy-HAZARD_KRAYLON]

Originally posted by LORDRAVEN666
this test driver didnt do a damn thing for me. i still get the same ole error as always.

UT2003 Build UT2003_Build_[2002-12-17_23.50]

OS: Windows XP 5.1 (Build: 2600)
CPU: AuthenticAMD PentiumPro-class processor @ 1602 MHz with 511MB RAM
Video: NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4600 (4109)

General protection fault!

History: RenderLevel <- FLevelSceneNode::Render <- FPlayerSceneNode::Render
<- UGameEngine:raw <- UWindowsViewport::Repaint <- UWindowsClient::Tick <-
ClientTick <- UGameEngine::Tick <- UpdateWorld <- MainLoop

i crash every 2 or 3 matches single player and multiplayer.
i have tried everything most people could come up with. every nvidia driver i could find. messing with all the options in the game. latest via 4in1 drivers. latest audigy drivers. latest mousware drivers. latest award BIOS. messed with the refresh rate. removed direct x with direct x buster and reinstalled 8.1. i reformatted too. i did many other things that i cant think of at the moment but the list goes on and on and i am totally stumped.

I HAVE THE SAMEEEE PROBLEM!!! :eek: What is your system specs


Here is my setup
VIA P4PB Ultra (latest VIA 4 in 1 driver from VIAarena.com version 4.45)
2.26GHZ w/533FSB Intel Pentium Processor
1GB TWINX1024-3200LL: 1 Gbyte, 400 MHz, low latency module pair, kit
consists of two matched CMX512-3200LL DIMMs
ATI RADEON 9700 PRO (with catalyst 3.1 drivers)
Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 (with latest drivers from their website as
of the date in this e-mail)

OS: XP with Service Pack 1 with Direct 8.1 (recommended direct x on unreal tourney 2003 cd disk 3)
:cry:

[legacy-Burkhazard]

I'm using a Via + GF4 Ti 4200 combination. UT2K3 used to lock up a lot (even in the menus). The lockups disappeared entirely after I reduced AGP speed from 4x to 2x in the Bios.

[legacy-PaDaWaN4]

i always get this error when i play



General protection fault!

History: UModel::LineCheck <- CheckWithLevel <- ULevel::MultiLineCheck <- ULevel::MoveActor <- xPawn <- AActor::moveSmooth <- AActor::PostNetReceive <- HandleStream <- UActorChannel::ReceivedBunch <- (Actor xPawn) <- UChannel::ReceivedSequencedBunch <- Direct <- UChannel::ReceivedRawBunch <- DispatchDataToChannel <- BunchData <- UNetConnection::ReceivedPacket <- UNetConnection::ReceivedRawPacket <- UTcpNetDriver::TickDispatch <- UpdatePreNet <- ULevel::Tick <- (NetMode=3) <- TickLevel <- UGameEngine::Tick <- UpdateWorld <- MainLoop



then agein

UT2003 Build UT2003_Build_[2003-02-13_18.53]

OS: Windows XP 5.1 (Build: 2600)
CPU: AuthenticAMD PentiumPro-class processor @ 1657 MHz with 1023MB RAM
Video: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440 (4109)

General protection fault!

History: UDownload::ReceiveData <- UHTTPDownload::Tick <- TickDownload <- UNetConnection::Tick <- UNetDriver::TickFlush <- UNetPendingLevel::Tick <- TickPending <- UGameEngine::Tick <- UpdateWorld <- MainLoop

and the patch didnt work for me its still same i have installed all patches and all card patches evry thing u could do but it still come back

and my computer restarts by it self somthimes when playing or atleast trying to play

[legacy-grither88]

Thanks for the info, tried but doesn't work for me. Can't understand this issue- I played Jedi Outcast for two hours this morning, not a glitch to be found. But I try UT 2003, and it plays about 5 seconds of the nvidia logo, and totally hangs the computer (Athlon 1gz, Via kt133, 4 in 1, Geforce 2)

REALLY frustrating. Same thing with Unreal 2. What is it with these games?

[legacy-mcar028]

What patch level of the UT2003 engine are people using?
The latest patch (2199) fixed the quit to desktop issue for me.

info:

UT2003
When I first ran UT2003, it consistently quit to the Windows desktop with no error report (event log, ut2003.log). I had loaded new video drivers (40.72 detonator at the time), m/b drivers (hyperion current at December 2002/January 2003), etc -but had not managed to solve this issue.

I recently replaced my nVidia based card -a GF2 GTS 64MB/ddr with a Radeon 9100DV (128MB ddr -Catalyst 3.1) and this did not solve the problem.

I avoided the "quit to desktop" issue by running UT2003 through the udebugger.exe component (in %UT2003dir%\system). I was using the basic retail version.

Unreal 2
Runs like a dream -no problems.

A fix?
Downloaded and installed the latest patch for the retail version (2199) and now I can run UT2003 without having to use the debugger.

It would appear the fix in this instance is that described on the InfoGames support pages -a patch for the software that checks the CDROM to ensure you are running a licensed copy.

hardware/OS
Athlon 1800XP @ Epox 8kha+ (VIA KT266A)
512MB DDR
XPHome, sp1
Original video card: GeForce 2 GTS/Pro 64MB DDR, now: Radeon 9100VIVO 128DDR (not as fast as a ti4200, but better colour and rendering effects).

[legacy-mrsco]

I too was having the loop error problem... i would get it about 10 - 15 mins after gameplay sometimes longer sometimes shorter... I tried the via patch and that stupid thing made it worse... I still have all my settings turned up in the bios.... all i did was .... I used to have the 41.09 detonators installed.... but not only did those make my computer take forever to boot up (don't know why this is)... but they don't like unreal tourney i guess.... so i uninstalled my video card thru device manager ... d/l'd the 42.30 from www.guru3d.com supposedly WHQL cerifited drivers.... and proceded to install the via 4-in-1 hyperion driver set.... then installed new vid drivers.... and unreal has been running smooth... hope this helps....

also on a side note can anyone tell me why drivers that are said to be WHQL cerified are not reconized as such when i install them on my computer? this is so with the 41.09's and the 42.30's thanks

[legacy-TitanLH]

I had problems with my video drivers on my GeForce 2 GTS running on Win2k. Go to www.softnews.com and download the new nVidia drivers.....42.82 or above. UT 2003 used to flicker and then crash to the desktop but after installing the new drivers, it fixed my problems. I run


Athlon 1700+
320MB RAM
32MB GeForce GTS
Win2k

[legacy-pingu|goc|]

OS: Windows XP 5.1 (Build: 2600)
CPU: AuthenticAMD PentiumPro-class processor @ 1739 MHz with 767MB RAM
Video: GeForce4 Ti 4400/AGP/SSE/3DNOW!

General protection fault!

History: FOpenGLRenderInterface::SetBitmapMaterial <- FD3DRenderInterface::SetMaterialBlending <- FOpenGLRenderInterface::DrawPrimitive <- RenderStaticMesh <- FDynamicActor::Render <- RenderLevel <- FLevelSceneNode::Render <- FPlayerSceneNode::Render <- UGameEngine::Draw <- UWindowsViewport::Repaint <- UWindowsClient::Tick <- ClientTick <- UGameEngine::Tick <- UpdateWorld <- MainLoop



tried everything
used to be ok till i updated drivers (both at the same time det,4in1)

think it problem was caused by det drivers .but have unistalled the later ones PROPERLY AND FULLY.
but still the problem remains.
seems to crash on larger maps more so .

[legacy-mrsco]

i was wondering since detonator destroyer doesn't work in winxp what is the correct way to fully uninstall detonator driver sets in winxp...? because everytime i do and install new drivers the install proggy says drivers are already installed.... this is because winxp automatically installs them for you.... also how come even if the driver set i'm installing says it's WHQL certified they aren't reconized as such when installing them and when i check dxdiag....??? please help me

[legacy-gus_scottexley]

I went to this link and found the download link but it takes me to some site and there is nothing about download it :(


HELP!

[legacy-Glyph]

I am fed up with this crashes. It crashes every 5 minutes or less. Doesn't matter what i do, browse the server, play a game, changing settings and always it end up on a blue screen in XP. In that blue screen i get message about my nv4_disp.dll, but also things like IRQ_LESS_OR_EQUAL or stuff like that and sometimes only a blue screen with no specific error message :(

Specs:

K7V333 MoBo
GF4Ti 4400 MSI
512MB PC2700
WinXP SP1

Latest UT patch 2199
41.09 nvidia drivers

Edit:
I installed the latest VIA4in1 4.45 drivers and it seemed to stable a bit. Could play 10 minutes without problems. Will see how it goes tonight.

[legacy-PhantomNight]

Have Unreal Tournament 2003 working for a week or so, then it started to reboot after the Nvidia Logo. Have checked HD, Memory, nothing is overclocked. Nothing has been added or removed from the system.

OS: WinXP SP1
MEM: 256MB
VID: GF4 Ti4200 64MB
Chipset: VIA P4X266A
Processor: Intel 1.6G

[legacy-Lush-Kill]

Sup all. I`m using a Radeon 9700 pro. I was having all the same problems as the g-force guys. looping errors, crash to desktop and total system lock up. With help from tech support from FIC we got UT2003 to run prefect even get higher frame rates now then when ut2003 was crashing. Had to turn off all agp fastwrite options in my bios and lower agp apiture size down to 128. Turned off all the video bios shadowing and the 8xvsync. Also had to lower agp from 8x to 4x. Tech guy from FIC told me alot of motherboard companies are having problems with VIA KT400 8x agp based motherboards. He said VIA is recomending anyone using a KT400 based motherboard to use the 4.45 4in 1 drivers
to help fix the problems. He also told me not to use direct x 9. Was told to wait for directx 9 games to come out before installing it. Battlefield 1942 no longer crashes on me now too. All my games that where having problems are working fine and running better now.

[legacy-McJepp]

Well i ran ut2k3 on my Asus TUV4X with VIA 694T northbridge, 686b southbridge, and the only problem i had was my Celeron 1GHz CPU... guess why I had no problems.... WINDOWS 2000 PRO with SP3!!! You all make it sound like VIA's problem, when Windows XP was built on Windows Me, the most unstable Windows ever released so its more likely to be Windows XP :p

[legacy-Lush-Kill]

My intel p4 2gig pc runs ut2003 with out any problems. I`m running win 2k pro with sp3 now on my amd pc. I still was getting lock ups with 2k just didn`t get any looping errors. And windows Xp is not based off of windows me. It`s based off of windows 2k/nt .
I muti boot on my Intel pc. I run windows Xp pro , 2k pro and windows me on it. And my windows me works with out any problems. I use windows me cause I have old games that just don`t work with XP or 2k.

[legacy-McJepp]

Originally posted by Lush-Kill
And windows Xp is not based off of windows me. It`s based off of windows 2k/nt .

Quoted from the MS Website:
Windows XP is the next version of Microsoft Windows beyond Windows 2000 and Windows Millennium. Windows XP brings the convergence of Windows operating systems by integrating the strengths of Windows 2000—standards-based security, manageability and reliability with the best features of Windows 98 and Windows Me—Plug and Play, easy-to-use user interface, and innovative support services to create the best Windows yet.

So maybe i should have been a bit more specific as to what parts are based on Windows Me

Oh and LushKill, this thread is about nVIDIA graphics chipsets, not ATi

[legacy-Lush-Kill]

I was giving sugestions that might help some poeple. My intel pc has a g-force 4 ti 4200 in it and never had any problems running ut2k3. I switched video cards between my 2 pc`s got the same problems with both my radeon and g-force cards in my amd via based pc. Both cards work with out any problems in my intel pc. So it`s not just a g-force card in via chipset mb problem. You see more problems with g-force cards cause more players use them then radeon cards. And Xp is not the only OS that has the problems.

Windows Xp is just a more user friendly version of Windows 2k.
And along with making it user friendly came all the bugs. That why
they are making updates for Xp all the time to fix the problems with it.

[legacy-McJepp]

fair enough mate

[legacy-McJepp]

Originally posted by Lush-Kill
And Xp is not the only OS that has the problems.

Windows Xp is just a more user friendly version of Windows 2k.
And along with making it user friendly came all the bugs. That why
they are making updates for Xp all the time to fix the problems with it.

I agree, which is why I am going to use UT2K3 on Linux (when I get chance to re-install after my upgrade)

Which out of your nVIDIA and ATi Cards gave the best performance on your Intel machine? I have a system based on a Gigabyte GA-8PE667 Ultra, and i'm looking to upgrade my GF4 MX440 64MB DDR as it has very low performance, compared with my brother's Radeon 7500

[legacy-Lush-Kill]

The radeon 9700 pro is faster in both my pc`s. The new radeon 9800 pro out proforms the new g-force fx 5800.
Here`s a link that shows a reveiw of both radeon and g-force cards. http://www17.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030306/index.html

You can pick up a retail boxed 9700 pro for 300 bucks at bestbuy or compusa. I like buying my hardware at compusa cause of the 2 year replacement warrenty they offer on add-on cards and motherboards. Cost of it depends on price of card think it`s 10 bucks every hunderd. Card don`t even have to be broken you take it back and they give full credit for price you paid for the card inculding tax but not the warrenty cost. You just tell them it not working right any more. That way you can upgrade your stuff to new and better model.

[legacy-McJepp]

Originally posted by Lush-Kill
You can pick up a retail boxed 9700 pro for 300 bucks at bestbuy or compusa. I like buying my hardware at compusa cause of the 2 year replacement warrenty they offer on add-on cards and motherboards. Cost of it depends on price of card think it`s 10 bucks every hunderd. Card don`t even have to be broken you take it back and they give full credit for price you paid for the card inculding tax but not the warrenty cost. You just tell them it not working right any more. That way you can upgrade your stuff to new and better model.

Thanks for that but im in UK so I'll have to source elsewhere... i'll have to get the cash somehow as well... but i'll be going for the ATi since I prefer their drivers to nVIDIA's

[legacy-dumpstertom]

I run a dual-boot system using WinXP Pro and Win 98se. The game run's just fine under Win 98se, but under WinXp Pro it will crash shortly after I click on a menu. If I'm quick and start a Instant Action game, I can play with out a problem.

Here's some of the errors message I get.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
UT2003 Build UT2003_Build_[2003-02-13_18.53]

OS: Windows XP 5.1 (Build: 2600)
CPU: AuthenticAMD PentiumPro-class processor @ 1605 MHz with 511MB RAM
Video: NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4600 (4072)

General protection fault!

History: UObject::ProcessEvent <- (PlayerController Entry.PlayerController, Function Engine.PlayerController.PlayerTick) <- APlayerController::Tick <- TickAllActors <- ULevel::Tick <- (NetMode=0) <- TickLevel <- UGameEngine::Tick <- UpdateWorld <- MainLoop


UT2003 Build UT2003_Build_[2003-02-13_18.53]

OS: Windows XP 5.1 (Build: 2600)
CPU: AuthenticAMD PentiumPro-class processor @ 1605 MHz with 511MB RAM
Video: NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4600 (4072)

General protection fault!

History: UObject::ProcessEvent <- (SpinnyWeap DM-Antalus.SpinnyWeap, Function XInterface.SpinnyWeap.Tick) <- AActor::Tick <- AbsorbedPaused <- ULevel::Tick <- (NetMode=0) <- TickLevel <- UGameEngine::Tick <- UpdateWorld <- MainLoop


UT2003 Build UT2003_Build_[2003-02-13_18.53]

OS: Windows XP 5.1 (Build: 2600)
CPU: AuthenticAMD PentiumPro-class processor @ 1597 MHz with 511MB RAM
Video: NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4600 (4072)

General protection fault!

History: FMallocWindows::Malloc <- FMallocWindows::Realloc <- 00000000 150 FArray <- FArray::Realloc <- 75*2 <- UObject::ProcessEvent <- (Browser_ServersList Package.Browser_ServersList, Function XInterface.Browser_ServersList.MyOnDrawItem) <- UObject::ProcessDelegate <- UGUIVertList::Draw <- GUIMultiComponent::Draw <- UGUListBox::Draw <- GUIMultiComponent::Draw <- UGUPanel::Draw <- GUIMultiComponent::Draw <- UGUISplitter::Draw <- GUIMultiComponent::Draw <- UGUPanel::Draw <- GUITabControl::Draw <- GUIMultiComponent::Draw <- GUIPage::Draw <- GUIController::NativePostRender <- UInteractionMaster::MasterProcessPostRender <- FPlayerSceneNode::Render <- UGameEngine::Draw <- UWindowsViewport::Repaint <- UWindowsClient::Tick <- ClientTick <- UGameEngine::Tick <- UpdateWorld <- MainLoop
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Now I tried running the debugger and I get this error. What's it mean I have no video?

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
<?int?Udebugger.General.Abbreviation?> Build UT2003_Build_[2003-02-13_18.53]

OS: Windows XP 5.1 (Build: 2600)
CPU: AuthenticAMD PentiumPro-class processor @ 1605 MHz with 511MB RAM
Video: No Video

General protection fault!

History: MainLoop
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I've tried different drivers, patches and everthing else in this thread and nothing seems to work. This is really starting to piss me off.

The funny thing is Unreal II runs just fine under Win XP Pro.



Dumpster Tom

My System
-------------------
Asus A7V333
Athlon XP 1900+
512MB PC2700
MSI GeForce 4 4600
Onboard C-media sound card
Antec Truepower 440watt Power supply
2 Hard Drives
Pioneer dvd-rom drive
Lite-on 48x24x48 cd-rw drive
Realtek NIC
Win 98se on C:
Win Xp Pro on D:

[legacy-Jaspeer]

I just ran the UT2003 Debugger and I got this error:

<?int?Udebugger.General.Abbreviation?> Build UT2003_Build_[2003-02-13_18.53]

OS: Windows XP 5.1 (Build: 2600)
CPU: AuthenticAMD PentiumPro-class processor @ 1502 MHz with 511MB RAM
Video: No Video

General protection fault!

History: MainLoop

See how it says "No Video" do you think my motherboard does not like the Card? Or Driver issues?

[legacy-Lush-Kill]

What drivers are you using?

[legacy-Jaspeer]

eh, I have the newest Nvidia ones, the 43.45 ones. I think I may have found my problem though. It seems as though my video card gets extremely hot, and makes the system reboot. I've turned all settings low, 640 rez, and turned AGP 2x in BIOS, Im able to play now, until I get my new Video Card.

[legacy-Macdanif[D.C.]]

***********
XP 1600+
Soyo Dragon KT266A
512MB Mushkin PC2700
Original Geforce 3
XP Pro

***********

I read through this forum and was very surprised by all the problems. I have not had one problem with any of those games on my system. Judging by what I read, it seems to be related to the Geforce 4 GPU in some way, because that was the only constant. Several different variants of the VIA chipsets. I know it's not the best resolution, but I can run everything at highest detail at 800X600 resolution and still get 60 frames. I've never had one crash or lockup with UT2K3. I guess I'm just lucky. Thought someone might be interested to know.

[legacy-dj_ade]

GEFORCE / VIA
I'm Getting REALLY Pi**ED off with this VIA Chipset and GEforce 4 Prob.
I have a Geforce 4 Mx440 and a Board Using a Via ChipSet..
Is there NO way that Epic Or Infogrames can Release or Develop a Driver or Patch to Fix the Prob?? or at least Tell us What exactly the Problem is, when SO many People have problems with Their Games, not Running Or Returning General Protection Fault...
It seems a Bit of a Bad Job that a Game such as UT 2003 is released and Not tested to the Full, on Various with various Specs - No-one has a system identical to the machines that the game may have been tested on - Is the testing based on a generic setup?? Loads of people who like to build their machines or upgrade without spending a fortune are relying on NON-Intel boards because the cost is low compared to that of INTEL.
After trying Everything i could Think of - (Downloading Newest hardware Drivers - INCLUDING the VIA TEST DRIVER, Lowering Settings, Even Expanding My RAM!!!) I Phoned the Helpline on the Back of the UT2003 Manual.
The Guy on the other end was not really that Helpful - He pretty much told me to Download the NVIDIA Driver 41.09 - This Did not work since the latest Driver that i already had was 41.09.. he basically then told me to play with settings and left it at that. - Still the same thing Happened - GENERAL PROTECTION FAULT!! I have Since Downed the 43.45 Driver - Still Nothing.
I have Disabled The Fast Write in the Bios, and Messed around with the settings with no avail. Turned sound off, reduced resolution, 16bit Graphics mode.. Do i give up???

My Specs -
AOPEN (VIA AK77 Chipset) Mainboard
512MB RAM
10 GB drive - Upgrading to 60 in the nx few days
GEFORCE 4 MX 440 GPU
Athlon 2000 Running at 1696 MHZ
SoundBlaster 128 PCI

I would Really Appreciate a Helpful Response..
Thanx

[legacy-gavjof]

Hi,

your model mobo isn't Aopen AK77 Plus is it. The one with integrated audio chipset.

If so these can cause problems if you don't disable your onboard sound.

Also, Sound Blaster 128 is fairy old, maybe this could be the cause of your problems.

If you've exhaused all of your video/ mobo options, you may as well try looking elsewhere.

Good Luck

[legacy-dj_ade]

yeah that's the MOF'N board alright - I have the on board Sound disabled - The Soundcard is a few yrs old, but i've never had probs with it on any game before, Ever! My Last machine had the same card in it, and it worked fine, The game has not worked since i upgraded, So i'm not entirely convinced that it is the Card - I am Getting a New card anyway - getting Soundblaster AWE card in a few weex - Mayb it will fix the prob - Maybe not..
I'll have to seee..

[legacy-Mr_Nobody//PoD]

I've been having the same problems as others ... game hard-locks after 5-15 minutes of play. This happens to me across *all* 3D games, so I'm pretty sure that there's nothing Epic could/should do to address this particular problem.

WinXP Pro
MSI KT3 Ultra
512MB PC2100, Crucial
MSI GF4 4200 Ti
SBLive 5.1
350W PSU

I've tried all of the fixes listed here with no success: different versions of the 4-in-1s, different Detonator drivers, flashed BIOS, ran MemTest86, added PCI latency patch, etc. etc.

In the end, it looks like my problem boils down to heat ... the Athlon XP 2100+ is hitting 70 degrees Celsius whenever I run anything in 3D. Even running with the case open wasn't enough to solve the problem ... but dropping my FSB down to 100 from 133 did the trick and cured my lockups (albeit at the expense of performance). I'm ordering a new copper HSF to replace my stock heatsink/fan, and some new 80mm case fans to boot. Hopefully that will bring the temps down low enough that I can go back to 133.

[legacy-gavjof]

That does sound pretty hot.
If you're not concerned about money and like shiney gadgets then when not invest in an aluminium pc case.
I've got a Lian Li. It's so good that a few of my mates have also purchase one (on looks alone) and all the PC's in our office are Lian Li's too.

These cases come with (usually) dual intake fans and sometimes a chiney fan too. And newer models have a heat sensitive system spining them down if it's not too hot.

I've a 1.4TB in mine which is probably one of the hotest chips.
Then again a good fan/heatsink/thermal paste solution could also do the job for you and save you over £100.

[legacy-Priest]

very sorry but where how do i get...

"On Oct. 24, 2002, VIA released a new PCI latency patch for its trouble-plagued chipsets." -www.pcbuyersguide.com

...from the first post, i followed the link to fileconnect but i can't find it on their site... whats it called?

Im not even sure if thats the miracle patch your all talking about.

once again, sorry

[legacy-gavjof]

http://www.gavjof.dsl.pipex.com/Test_driver1.zip

Try that link

[legacy-AV9]

So, does this patch only work with NVIDIA cards? Because my Radeon 9700 Pro is really unstable with Unreal 2003.

[legacy-MTNDEWHORUS]

Ok well i tried this and it did not work, here's my situation.
I run the game and if i go to either the settings and hit weapons or i go to play and make it through one map i get this error:
UT2003 Build UT2003_Build_[2002-09-19_17.26]

OS: Windows XP 5.1 (Build: 2600)
CPU: AuthenticAMD PentiumPro-class processor @ 1020 MHz with 383MB RAM
Video: NVIDIA GeForce3 Ti 200 (4109)

Assertion failed: InPos>=0 [File:..\..\Core\Inc\FFileManagerWindows.h] [Line: 59]

History: FArchiveFileReader::Seek <- ULinkerLoad::Seek <- TLazyArray<< <- USound::Serialize <- LoadObject <- (Sound WeaponSounds.BaseFiringSounds.BTranslocatorFire 769328==769328/7391593 769312 51385) <- ULinkerLoad::Preload <- PreLoadObjects <- UObject::EndLoad <- UObject::StaticLoadObject <- (Core.Class XWeapons.TransLauncher NULL) <- GUIController::execGetWeaponList <- UObject::ProcessEvent <- (UT2LoadingWeapons Package.InteractionMaster.GUIController.UT2Loading Weapons, Function XInterface.UT2LoadingWeapons.Timer) <- UGUIPage::UpdateTimers <- UInteractionMaster::MasterProcessTick <- ULevel::Tick <- (NetMode=0) <- TickLevel <- UGameEngine::Tick <- UpdateWorld <- MainLoop

I have gotten others but i have to copy them..i don't know what else to do...i have yet to dl the new patch for this.. I also have the demo and that played fine with no issues?
I am at a loss...please help me:)
System specs are:
AMD Duron OC'd at 1.020ghz
FIC AZ11EA mobo
383 megs of Ram SD

If you need other info please let me know:)
Thanks

[legacy-skmanga]

well i recently got a geforce fx 5200 128mb DDR AGP card (like today) and i was expecting drastic framerate changes like up in the 80's since my old 32mb tnt2 card i usually got around 10 to 20 fps but now i only get around 30-40 fps and i dont know why i got the latest drivers, disabled all of the fancy **** like anistrophic filtering and AA all of my settign are on normal and like only detailed textures and dyanmic lighting are checked but i only get 30-40 fps.
i did the benchmark thing and got around 60 i think for flyby and 25 for a botmatch.

my comp specs are:
1.5ghz p4
256mb sdram
geforce fx 5200 128mb

[legacy-Early_bath]

EEk!:eek:

I've ignored this thread for so long, cos I'm on Windows98SE, but I've been having all the problems exactly as described.

AMD Athlon 2100+
Abit Kt7a (via chipset, of course!!)
256Mb 133Mhz SDRAM
Geforce2 MX 400 (64Mb)

Tried all sorts of tweaks, like adjusting Ram clock times etc. Some had slight benefits. The only way I could get the game to run for any period of time is by switching UseHardwareTL=False. I guess this works around the problem by getting the processor to do all the work so less data is being pushed directly between AGP and RAM.

I'll try the patch tonight and report back.

[legacy-Early_bath]

Well!!!

I worked.

I reckon this thread needs a slight rename. It fixed the problem with my system on Windows 98SE. I'd ignored this thread for 6 months cos it said WindowsXP.

[legacy-Dreamscape_001]

My problem is this:

UT2003 Build UT2003_Build_[2002-09-19_17.26]

OS: Windows 2000 5.0 (Build: 2195)
CPU: AuthenticAMD PentiumPro-class processor @ 1002 MHz with 511MB RAM
Video: 3D Blaster GeForce Pro (4180)

General protection fault!

History: UModel::BuildRenderData <- ULevel::PostLoad <- UObject::ConditionalPostLoad <- (Level NvidiaLogo.myLevel) <- PostLoadObjects <- UObject::EndLoad <- UObject::StaticLoadObject <- (Engine.Level None.MyLevel NvidiaLogo.ut2) <- LoadLevel <- UGameEngine::LoadMap <- LocalMapURL <- UGameEngine::Browse <- UGameEngine::Init <- InitEngine

Whenever I try to run Unreal I get that message. Unlike what I've read here were some people get to fiddle with the menus and experience a short and insubstantial play time, I do not even get that little taste.

My specs are as follows:
AMD Athalon 1700+ @ 999 MHz
MSI MS-6330
512mb DDR
3D Blaster Geforce Pro (Annihilator)(32mb)

[legacy-Kitt]

Hi,
I just found this thread and I have been having all these problems since I upgraded my computer and put an Nvida GeForce4 Ti 4200 vid card in!

I have spent weeks reading up on video card drivers to get Unreal 2 The Awekening to work, and when I finally get it about stable, UT 2003 is fritzed the same way U2 was! It crashes almost immediately to a screen of tartan lines of overlapping random colors, or to a blue screen of code doing a countdown - I think I am seeing it do a memory dump.

I'm running Win XP Pro with SP 1 in it.

My specs are.
Chaintech Apogee 7VJL m/board, chipset KT333 + VT8235 dual chip AGP set (dunno what it means though)
AMD Athalon 2000+ XP chip,
Onboard Sound disabled,
Onboard network card in use for home network, (RJ45 cables to Netgear net hub)
512 DDR Ram, good quality but don't know the brand name offhand
GeForce4 Ti 4200 video card with 64 meg ram, fan included on it,
42.30 Detonator drivers for Nvida card,
SoundBlaster Live! 1024 sound card with latest drivers from them,
Motherboard has front mounted front panel Cbox with 4 USB2 ports and headphone sockets in it
Monitor is Phillips 109 S2,
Freecom CD RW 32x10x40 speeds,
Samsung DVD SD-616Q
Usual floppy, and a SyQuest SparQ removable media drive.
cordless Logitech keyboard,
USB Logitech Trackman Marble Wheel mouse.

And the comp case is an Overclocker's ATX Full Tower, (no, I don't overclock but have heat problems with any PC in my lounge) with two 8mm case fans, plus a 4mm case fan, plus onboard fan on the video card, a back slot fan, and front 5" drive bay with 2 x 9mm fans as a blower. It also has a specially fitted variable power supply of 450 wotzits... so plenty power there.

What I don't understand is what is lowering in the BIOS the AGP rate - I know BIOS, and can do simple things like change boot devices, but AGP speed? Could someone please explain thiswhat AGP speed means?
And the fix, the beta driver file Test_Driver1.zip - I downloaded it, read the Read me and am still in the dark.

I know I am totally out of my depth here, but it sounds like VIA chipsets, which I have on my m/board, have problems with Soundblasters and Nvida GeForce4 cards specifically, and maybe even with Win XP! But whether my chipset is new enough to not need a fix I don't know. Where is this chipset on the board? I know it has a BIOS chip, then you put your chip in ... Sorry to sound so dumb.

I have also come across talk of 4 in 1 drivers for VIA chipsets.. what's that?

Any help would be gratefully appreciated.

It seems to me rather strange to design a couple of games like UT2003 and U2 so they have problems with one of the most common sets of hardware. Most people build their computers using AMD chips, seems to me all my previous m/boards have had VIA chips (ASUS boards and no gaming problems) many folk use SoundBlaster cards for years, yet only the Audigy is Supported for U2 - SB Live! isn't that old!Given U2 was released 18months to 2 years after it was expected, I find the fact it demands the absolutly latest soundcard really annoying, and that my SB EAX can't be used!

Again, thank you to anyone taking the time to explain things to me and help me out.

[legacy-Early_bath]

@ Kitt, just run the setup from the Test_Driver1.zip. It just puts a little routine into your machine's startup. You'll see a message showing it's there. If it doesn't help, the setup also can be used to remove it. It certainly won't do any harm trying.

I'm no expert but, the patch just alters a register setting that you can't get at via the bios screens. If your chipset doesn't have the register setting then the patch will make no changes. It sorts out a problem with passing LARGE amounts of data between AGP/PCI and ram, where blocks get corrupted.

Give it a try.:up:

[legacy-Angle-Killer]

this is JUST ONE of the errors ive gotten but i think it goes back to my vid card cuz i updateted my VIA chipset with the update ok i have windows Me i am getting 2000 pro soon (i hope) and i have plenty of ram i usually get about 10 min of play before someting like this happens

UT2003 Build UT2003_Build_[2003-04-07_17.42]

OS: Windows 98 4.90 (Build: 73010104)
CPU: GenuineIntel Unknown processor @ 1730 MHz with 767MB RAM
Video: RADEON 7000 (3445)

General protection fault!

History: alcOpenDevice <- UALAudioSubsystem::Init <- UEngine::InitAudio <- UGameEngine::Init <- InitEngine

UT2003 Build UT2003_Build_[2003-04-07_17.42]

OS: Windows 98 4.90 (Build: 73010104)
CPU: GenuineIntel Unknown processor @ 1730 MHz with 767MB RAM
Video: RADEON 7000 (3445)

General protection fault!

History: UObject::StaticFindObject <- UObject::StaticAllocateObject <- (StrProperty Nick) <- UObject::StaticConstructObject <- ULinkerLoad::CreateExport <- (Nick 1089885) <- IndexToObject <- ULinkerLoad<<UObject <- (LinkerLoad Package.LinkerLoad 1089885)) <- SerializeExpr <- (00) <- SerializeExpr <- (7A) <- SerializeExpr <- (07) <- UStruct::Serialize <- (Function XInterface.IRC_System.JoinedChannel) <- UFunction::Serialize <- LoadObject <- (Function XInterface.IRC_System.JoinedChannel 1089885==1089885/1321012 1089826 236) <- ULinkerLoad::Preload <- LinkProperties <- UStruct::Link <- UState::Link <- UClass::Link <- UStruct::Serialize <- (Class XInterface.IRC_System) <- UState::Serialize <- UClass::Serialize <- (Class XInterface.IRC_System) <- LoadObject <- (Class XInterface.IRC_System 1089885==1089885/1321012 1038148 1654) <- ULinkerLoad::Preload <- PreLoadObjects <- UObject::EndLoad <- UObject::StaticLoadObject <- (Core.Class XInterface.nterface.IRC_NewNick.NickMesg NULL) <- UObject::ProcessEvent <- (InteractionMaster Package.InteractionMaster, Function Engine.InteractionMaster.AddInteraction) <- UGameEngine::Init <- InitEngine

hopefully epic will fix this stuff in ut2k4 also i t wont let me run Udebugger it doesnt even give an error message

[legacy-Renegade21]

I'm getting the same problems myself with UT2K3

I was playing fine until recently. Just got the game so I was honing my skills on the Ladder. Played all the maps fine until I reached BR-Anubis, and then it kept crashing out on me. It's fine with the other games though. My specs:

AthlonXP 2000+
512MB DDR333
ASUS A7V8X (KT400) (Hyperion v4.47)
Leadtek GeForce4 Ti 4200 (64MB)
WinXP Pro SP1 + DirectX 9.0a
Detonator 44.03's
UT2K3 v2225 + Epic Bonus Pack.

It just crashes out of the game. When I run debug, I get a general protection fault and No Video. Weird, since it was running fine before.

[legacy-Renegade21]

Just tried it again. Here's the error log:

UT2003 Build UT2003_Build_[2003-04-07_17.42]

OS: Windows XP 5.1 (Build: 2600)
CPU: AuthenticAMD PentiumPro-class processor @ 1668 MHz with 511MB RAM
Video: NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200 (4403)

General protection fault!

History: UModel::BoxLeaves <- BR-Anubis.Model173 (-5553.160156 -8903.451172 -11.629116) (11.732190 14.300001 402.008759) <- AActor::UpdateRenderData <- ShellSpewer BR-Anubis.ShellSpewer <- FDynamicActor::Render <- FActorSceneNode::Render <- UCanvas::DrawActor <- UCanvas::execDrawActor <- (Minigun BR-Anubis.Minigun @ Function Engine.Weapon.RenderOverlays : 028E) <- UObject::ProcessEvent <- (HudBBombingRun BR-Anubis.HudBBombingRun, Function Engine.HUD.PostRender) <- FPlayerSceneNode::Render <- UGameEngine::Draw <- UWindowsViewport::Repaint <- UWindowsClient::Tick <- ClientTick <- UGameEngine::Tick <- UpdateWorld <- MainLoop

I have absolutely no idea what the hell is wrong!

[legacy-Angle-Killer]

today got home from my friends house i wento run UT2k3 and then it give me a C++ runtime error i almost sh*t my self so i rebooted and yet again all the same problem as befor the run time error

[legacy-Early_bath]

I had that problem just the other day. I even went as far as reinstalling the game with no success. The I realised that my son had plugged in a USB game controller.

I unplugged it ... no runtime error.

The C++ runtime error was coming up while the UT2003 banner was on screen before it got to the "The way it's meant to be played" bit.

[legacy-Angle-Killer]

i only got it once so it really scared the hell outta me cuz ive never got it before i think there might be a virus going around in a mut or something cuz i installed macafee virus scan yesterday and it replaced my autoexec.bat file so youll might want to get your hands on a virus scanning program

[legacy-Early_bath]

Nah, in my case it was because the driver's for the game controller hadn't been installed properly but Ut was trying to access them.

[legacy-Angle-Killer]

what i ment was if it happens more than once or if you cant resolve the problem someother way (just an advisement to everyone)

[legacy-Sheldog23]

I see all these post about the VIA chipsets. and the fix. Well I have a Soyo Mobo with ALI chipsets and it has the same looping problem. Has anyone heard of a way to fix this thing. Here are my specs

AMD xp1700+
512mb 2100DDR
Geforce FX 5200 although Had same problem with my
ATI radion 7500


Please help. I would hate to have to switch over to pentium

[legacy-john.andliz]

I just downloaded the latest Detonator drivers and my system is falling apart. Would my problems have anything to do with this thread? I get this message when I try and start up UT2k3:

Error setting display mode: CreateDevice failed (D3DERR_INVALIDCALL). Please delete your UT2003.ini file if this error prevents you from starting the game.

History: UD3DRenderDevice::UnSetRes <- CreateDevice <- UD3DRenderDevice::SetRes <- UWindowsViewport::TryRenderDevice <- UWindowsViewport::OpenWindow <- UGameEngine::Init <- InitEngine

Other problems the drivers are causing include 2 Rundlls in my Task Manager, which cause problems when you want to close out programs to improve performance. For some reason, when I try and close out the Rundll32 (either one), all of the programs crash, including Explorer and Systray (not good). Also, I can no longer run WinDoctor, a Norton program. It "performs illegal operations" even though I ran it right before downloading the drivers.

I would really like to get back to gaming. Can anyone help me? :bulb:

[legacy-CWayne]

I am receiving the same error.....

History: UD3DRenderDevice::UnSetRes <- CreateDevice <- UD3DRenderDevice::SetRes <- UWindowsViewport::TryRenderDevice <- UWindowsViewport::OpenWindow <- UGameEngine::Init <- InitEngine

Not only will the game not run but after attempting to do so I have consistently found file & FAT corruption on the hard drive. I believe this issue may also apply to the 1999 version of Unreal Tournament as well. I just purchased 2003 because of a total system crash which appeared to be related to the original game. My OS has been completely re-installed with no hard drive errors UNTIL I try to run either game.

I have also tried reverting to NVidia Detonator v30.82 & 41.xx after trying the latest version and gotten the same message or a black screen as well as hard drive corruption.

If you find some answers please pass them along. I promise to do the same. No game should ever be this unenjoyable. I'd at least like to see a picture some day for the $40 even if it does lock up after a few minutes. :)

[legacy-john.andliz]

Yes, I have the first edition of UTK3 (have I been playing it since 1999 - god has it been that long?). Anyway, check out this thread, for my tweaks on how I worked through it, and someone else who is also having similiar problems:

http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=4033095#post4033095

I am not 100% back but I am close. Removing all the other drivers, keeping the 4109 drivers (the 4403 drivers just did not work with the game or my system) and installing the 4in1 package helped.

[legacy-Daywalker]

This problem could be fixed if everyone didn't think that they needed the newest issued things out there. So what they can do is run win98 or winme and leave it alone. Oh and don't install the new 44.03 driver from nvidia for nvidia based graphics cards. It will crash UT.

Gigabyte KT400
AMD AthlonXP 2800+
1 Gb DDR2700
GeForce FX5900 Ultra
SB Audigy 2 Platinum


If it isn't broke don't fix it!! :p

[legacy-john.andliz]

Real helpful advice there bud. Actually, I do run Win98SE and I don't always have the Latest and Greatest (my video card is older than yers, so there!). However, I do believe in keeping my system tuned, and maintaining drivers is part of that job. I also like to do what I can to improve graphic performance without overclocking, and that is what got me into the mess in the first place. I tried to improve my graphics performance by making sure I had the latest drivers for my video card. Never thought the drivers wouldn't even allow me to set my desktop settings or run my Norton Utilities software!

[legacy-Euphoria 5L]

I was having trouble with UT2K3 and other DirectX 8 games, until I installed the provided VIA patch. Since I was at a LAN party and had no access to the Internet there, I found a workaround. I don't have a powerful 3D card with all the shaders and stuff, just a run of the mill GeForce2. In your ut2003.ini file, you'll see some commented lines in the 3D/rendering section. Uncomment OpenGL and comment Direct3D. In ini files, comments are denoted with a semicolon (;).

This patch has fixed all my other DirectX 8 games. Strangely, it only affected DirectX 8 games. Everything else has run 100% perfectly.

EDIT: The section name is [Engine.Engine]

[legacy-john.andliz]

You are completely correct, Euphoria. I did switch semi-colons, however, although I could still run the game, it was buggy. For example, when I tried to change the game from 800x600 to 1024x760, it actually tried to change my desktop settings as well!

So, that is when I downloaded the VIA patch you spoke of, and removed all the old drivers, and since then, I've been running like old times (no improvement, but none for the worse).

Hey, I would never have been able to do any of this if it weren't for this forum, I can tell you that much! :up:

[legacy-Daywalker]

well john, you're right, you have to maintain your system but like I said the new nvidia driver (44.03) screws things up and the messed up thing about that is the whole reason it was revised. And that reason was for the fx generation. Which it still screws things up for people that are using it. Also WINXP is garbage. That OS is for the birds. I have tried to use it plenty of times for the simple reason I like the new look. But XP just has to many problems with alot of the things that I run. Even when I split the partition table to create a secondary partition for dos. As far as the V-card you either can't afford it or you don't feel you should pay that much for one. Then again "If it isn't broke, don't fix it!!" right....

The reason I have a card like I do is cause I'm an extreme gamer and I like to see everything as clear as possible and render everything possible. Cause #1: I don't run my PC on a monitor, I run it on a plasma wall-hung HDTV. I paid 3200 for it and I want the best pic possible when I play or edit things or build things for my games. Otherwise I would've kept my GeForce4 MX440 which is only 50 dollars. When you get to the point to where you can't view or play some of the games or programs out there cause your pc is capable of it you'll understand.

[legacy-john.andliz]

I understand better where you are coming from, but see, for my situation, my PC was "broke", so I was trying to fix it. That is why I downloaded 44.03 drivers and started experiencing problems.

Can't speak to Win XP because I have never loaded it on my system. Heard too many problems associated with it. I have it at work and I think it's interface is horrible. Like it was made for the blind.

Everything is okay now, so I'm looking forward to my third system. Oh, hey - cool that you have a plasma-based system (Personally, I'm a Viewsonic CRT type a person), and it is great that you edit games for a living (I work in environmental policy for the Federal government).

So now that we've shared intimacies, I'm 34 and my boyfriend and I (oh, I'm the "Liz" of John and Liz) have been gaming since 1986. There will never be a point where one of our systems will not "view or play some of the games or programs out there". Never has been, never will.

Nice talking to you, Daywalker. I'm more into finding positive vibes on this forum....

[legacy-Daywalker]

Sorry Liz for the mistake of the name and I'm not here to cause negative activity. My main point here was with winxp and how crappy of an OS it is and how the new nvidia driver 44.03 caused me alot of problems with this fx generation card that i have. In which the main prospective for that driver was for the fx generation. And it is causing more problems then fixing any. I also don't edit games for a living. I'm a Local 150 Driller and I edit and build things for games on my spare time. I'm truly sorry if I was sounding like a negative reply. And it was nice talking to ya. And it is always good to see long time gamers. I've been gaming since 1981. ;)



Winners are Losers and Losers are Winners

[legacy-john.andliz]

Sounds like you and I are actually more on the same wavelength than on different ones. Sorry for misinterpreting what you may have said. Happy 4th of July!

[legacy-john.andliz]

NVIDIA finally replied to a support request after I sent out letters of complaint about their lack of customer support and problems with drivers to several major purchasers of their products:

Here is what they told me - basically to uninstall my old drivers before installing any new ones. Their website where the drivers are located does not say this; it states new drivers can be downloaded "over" old ones. However, I think this may be an issue and tend to agree with the instructions below:
__________________________________________________ _
New information has been added to your request:

Please uninstall through control panel add remove program prior to installing any new NVIDIA drivers. If older NVIDIA drivers are not uninstalled first, this can cause many upgrade problems.

Note: It is highly recommended that you follow the steps in this section to
completely uninstall the NVIDIA Display Driver software before
installing a new version of the software.
To uninstall the NVIDIA Display Driver software, follow these steps:
1 From the Windows taskbar, click Start > Settings > Control Panel to open
the Control Panel windows.
2 Double click the Add/Remove Programs item.
3 Click the NVIDIA Windows Display Drivers item from the list.
4 Click Change/Remove.
5 Click Yes to continue.
Note: A prompt appears asking whether you want to delete all of the saved
nView profiles.
If you click Yes, all of the nView software and all of your saved
profiles will be deleted.
If you click No, the nView software is removed, but the profile files
are saved in the Windows\nView directory on your hard disk.
Your system now restarts.


You can view and update this request by clicking on this link: http://support.nvidia.com/apps/support/myRequests/index.asp?RequestKey={E68A508E-C1CF-4164-9541-82911B1FF07A}

[legacy-john.andliz]

Read the second large paragraph. This second email arrived explaining why NVIDIA has such crappy customer support. Makes sense.
__________________________________________________ _
New information has been added to your request:

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[legacy-sk8er15965]

"NOTE: It does not apply any fixes to AMD chipsets, such as the 750 or 761." *SNIFF*
guess it doesnt apply to my problem i have abit kd7 raid with athlon xp 2200. for some reason i keep gettiing a install error
"critical error FAILED READIN SOURCE FILE c:XXXXX' its a different file every time.
i made a thread about it but no help yet.

[legacy-brightwhitestar]

sk8er15965
I had that fault also and I found a fix for it

you need to clean your c drive before you install the game I dont know of xp but with windows2000 you need to go to excuse me for any mistakes but i need to translate it form dutch start /programs /bureau accesories (were you find wordpad,paint,calculator) /system workset /drivecleaner
I hope that you understand what I mean but in my case it worked

I could install the game but then te problems started general fault and so on I even changed that thing with ; [Engine.Engine]
now I changed the agp fastwrite and I have less problems but they still occure
byez

[legacy-sk8er15965]

i got it to work , i had a bad stick of memory that no tests were picking up. not even memtest86. i did a clean install of windows anyways to see if i could get some FPS out of it it seems to raised it by atleast 10 to 15 on flyby(avg. 120) and botmatch (avg. 50)
and thats with 256MB less of memory then i had before.

[legacy-onyxium]

Will this thing work for radeon users?

BTW, how do you download the thing? I feel like an idiot, I click on the link and it just goes to the main site (Fileconnect), grrr...

MSI KT4V VIA Chipset KT400 Based
AMD Athlon XP 2600+
PowerColor Radeon 9700 Gold

[legacy-Liquidanomaly]

Didn't work for me .. which really sucks, because i was hoping it was going to.

System Spec..

AMD Athlon XP 2000+
MSI K7N2G Nvidia nForce 2 motherboard
768 MB of ram
inno3d Tornado GForce4 mmx 440 video card
Soundblaster live


i'm getting pretty pissed off at this problem...

[legacy-onyxium]

"MSI K7N2G Nvidia nForce 2 motherboard"

nForce? Is that VIA chipset based, too? Dang...

But you don't have a Radeon card, right? How do you know it doesn't work with radeon if you have an nvidia?

[legacy-Liquidanomaly]

well, read the other problems, everybody else that i seen had the problem said they had a radeon card

[legacy-brightwhitestar]

****ing VIA k266a chipset
I hate it I cant play a game normaly without crashing my computer completly it jumps to desktop or it restarts complety just your moving yourself or you wanne shoot and he restarts the computer pretty irritating :mad: :mad: :( :( :bulb: :bulb: :cry:
I hat it and I wanne make some complaint at asus (my motherboard is from asus and my geforce 4 to) but there isn't any technical support !!!!!!

I HATE IT

<hr>
specs:
Amd athlon(TM) XP2000+ (asus)
AT/AT COMPATIBLE
523.744kb RAM
geforce 4 ti4600 v8460 ultra (asus)
windows 2000

[legacy-Shane1v]

Figures I run into this fix after I troubleshoot everything, upgrade to XP,get all patches and drivers, THEN send my video card for replacement.
I hope "the fix" works for me...I had some trouble finding the exact d/l...how do I get it?
Thanx

[legacy-[TMF]Death]

For months now I haven't been able to play Ut2k3, Enter the Matrix, or C&C Generals, but now thanks to this patch I can play them all again. I have reinstalled twice, bought a new graphics card, bought a new PSU and tried the last five versions of detonator. If this thread wasn't here, I doubt I would have fixed it. My specs:

Abit KT7A
Athlon XP 2000+
NVidia Geforce 4 Ti4200
512mb ram

Thanks!!!!!

[legacy-Shane1v]

Where exactly can I d/l the fix, and what is it called? thanx

[legacy-[TMF]Death]

First post. Click on the link, and scan through the text for a link called 'beta patch'. Unzip the file, and run setup.exe, and let it reboot. Then let your gaming woes disappear.......

[legacy-Shane1v]

I'll install the patch when I get my new card from Pine technology in Cali...thats where i was told to return my card.

Whats this 4 and 1 thing i've heard about as well as this beta patch? I may need that as well?
thanx

[legacy-brightwhitestar]

I installed the patch nad te system rebooted and nothing changed I heard that there must come a message that the patch is installed but there isn't any

specs: look above

[legacy-RiViN]

I know that this targets VIA chipset users, however, I seem to be having the same problem with my new MSI K7N2 Delta board and my TI200. I see in the earlier posts that someone else with an nforce2 board tried it and it did not work. So apparently, I am not the only person with an nforce2 board who is having lock up problems. In both UT2K3 and in WC3, I can start up a game, but 30 seconds or so in, my computer locks up and I have to reboot. I have been from website to website looking for a solution and this is the closest I have come to one...but of course it is not for my board. Thing is, it seems only Direct3D games are affected because I can play OpenGL games all I want.

** Oh, if I switch UT2K3 to OpenGL, it works just fine. I guess that gives a little more proof to there being some problem between my system in D3D.

[legacy-dgouthro]

Please install Nforce2 Chipset v2.03 Unifed Driver then reboot first then install DirectX 9.0b redistribute (available from Microsoft Download Center) then restart then reinstall your current Nvidia Detonator driver again.

Please run dxdiag and go to display tab. If you see AGP Texture Acceleration is disabled and locked, you have a problem. You MUST set AGP Apeture Size to least size of your video card's memory or more in system BIOS.

Then check version numbers in Nvidia Control Panel -- version number is last number of entire version number. If you find any last numbers are different, you have major problem. All last numbers MUST be SAME!

I have nForce2 Chipset with Nvidia GeForceFX 5900 overclocked, I never get any locked up problem in Direct3D mode.

[legacy-RiViN]

Ok, good news. I formatted and installed the unified 2.03s, 9.0b redist, then my 44.03s just like you said. So far, I was able to play WC3 for 30 minutes instead of 30 seconds. Now, the problem is, I have not done any Windows updates. Maybe one of those was causing the problem? Now I am hesitant to install even SP1! I don't want to screw anything up.

**UT2K3 works too as well. I guess I am going to start installing windows updates... I am beginning to believe it was the MSI nforce drivers causing the problems.

[legacy-RiViN]

I didn't get around to posting again yesterday because I got frustrated and went out.

Before I started windows update, I decided to do some more testing just in case...turns out the problem wasn't fixed. WC3 and UT2K3 are crashing once again... When I switch UT2K3 to OpenGL, it works just fine. I give up!

[legacy-dgouthro]

I think your CPU is overheating. Direct3D replies on main CPU more often than OpenGL. OpenGL always use graphics chipset most, that why it use much less CPU resources.

Did you overclock? If yes, reduce clock to normal speed. OR you must lock AGP speed to 66MHZ in system BIOS.

If you don't overclock CPU, please check your fan. You must make sure there is enough space for your fan to blow into. If your fan failed or not running, you must replace the fan to cool CPU during heavy load.

Please check your CPU temperature (not Graphics Chipset)!

If your CPU don't overheat, then make sure your graphics chipset's fan is working and make sure there is enough space for the fan to blow hot air into.

[legacy-RiViN]

I am almost 100% certain that my cpu is not overheating. The fan is working properly and my CPU is not overclocked. It is a copper core hsf and I have arctic silver applied.

[legacy-dgouthro]

Please list your AGP Speed, AGP Fast Write, AGP Aperature Size, CPU Clock Setting and Memory Timings here. You can get them via system BIOS's menu.

Also run DXDiag and check for any problems including AGP Texture Acceleration setting.

[legacy-RiViN]

AGP speed is at 4x, fast writes are enabled, AGP aperature is at 128, CPU is at 133x12.5 (which is stock 1.666 gigs), memory is running at 6-3-3 and 2.0 cas. (I've already tried 2.5 too see if it would help).

[legacy-dgouthro]

1. Try to disable AGP Fast Write.

2. If not then set memory timing to 7-3-3 and Cas 3. If it works, you have cheap memory that are PC2100 compliant, not PC2700 or PC3200. Even if you see PC2700 log, some memory only works with PC2100.

[legacy-RiViN]

Tried both, same old lock up.

[legacy-dgouthro]

Do you have least 350 watts power supply? If not then do you have power supply made by Emermax or Truepower or good brand? If you don't have popular brand, you may have bad power supply.

Oh, all nForce2 based motherboard requires least 350 watts or more. I have 465 watts Emermax power supply.

If you do have popular brand, your motherboard's AGP bus is defective and must be replaced.

[legacy-RiViN]

I tried out a new Antec 400W today and that didn't help any. Bought a better HSF just in case and that didn't help any. So I am going to bring the board back in on Monday and see if that is the problem. I will let you guys know Monday afternoon. Thanks for all the help!

[legacy-RiViN]

Welp, that was it. Turns out, the store I bought it from seems to have gotten a bad shipment of nforce2 boards. When I brought mine in, five more came in after mine. They tested it, found out it was crap, gave me a new one, and viola, no more problems with my games. Thanks for all the help guys!

[legacy-dgouthro]

I am happy that you got new nForce2 motherboard.

It was AGP bus defective. Direct3D uses AGP bus constantly. OpenGL uses AGP for uploading textures ONLY and never use AGP bus normally for gameplay.

[legacy-Snafu]

Hello, you said in a previous posting the following:

Please run dxdiag and go to display tab. If you see AGP Texture Acceleration is disabled and locked, you have a problem. You MUST set AGP Apeture Size to least size of your video card's memory or more in system BIOS.

I've checked dxdiag and mine is disabled and locked. (AGP app setting is 128 in bios). What does this mean and what can I do about it?

Inno3d Geforce 4 Ti 128
Asus A7N8x delux Mobo
350w psu
XP with all patches applied
directx 9.0b

Hope you don't mind me asking.:weird:

[legacy-dgouthro]

You have improperly installed AGP Driver. Please reinstall nForce Driver again then reinstall video driver. You don't have to reinstall DirectX 9.0b.

I had improperly installed AGP Driver -- it occurs when I install video driver when I forgot to install nForce Driver first.

After I did install nForce Driver, I had to reinstall video driver again to reset AGP to new nForce state.

[legacy-Snafu]

Thanks for taking the time out to help, I'll give it a try.

[legacy-Shane1v]

I have the VIA/Nvidia stuff on my PC,
Asus Motherboard(VIA)
1.33 AMD Athalon CPU,
256 memory,
Nvidia GeForce 440MX Vid card...
Windows XP
and the damnn game started crashing!!! Worked fine for awhile,(month) didn't add drivers or anything...so I installed the Beta patch...its still crashing...help plz!!
PS-AGP texture acceleration is enabled

:cry:

[legacy-[AodP]jh1]

by ASUS:

do not update with the new detonator.. i have some problems...

[legacy-PaiHuShi]

Im not anywhere near as comp profficient as you all. :( I read the bete test driver but couldn't see the actual patch and also didnt want to DL it without beeing sure I need it, however, I do freeze alot on UT 2k3 and max payne. Completely freeze, only way out is a hard boot, usually when loading a map, 1st person plaer OR Mplayer online. This is what I can tell you;

Asus mobo (not sure which one)
pIII 1.0 cel
1024 pc 133 sdram
Gforce TI4200 128 mb vid card
Basic sound plaster 128 bit card. (i think)
win XP pro.
If that patch that seems to help everyone else applies to me could someone post a link? also this 4 in 1 patch, what is it? and may I have a link to that as well. thank you in advance, no im not lazy, just very uneducated w/ computers.

[legacy-PaiHuShi]

Bump PLZ:cry: :cry: :down: :down:

[legacy-mluckey]

PaiHuShi, you have an Intel mobo, and not Via, so this thread does not apply in any way to your particular problem. Using any of the solutions in this thread will compound your problems.

Your problem seems to be video card related. Freezing is often caused by overheating of the GPU core, and can be fixed by cleaning it, applying good thermal transfer compound, and reinstalling. You can also buy a new GPU heatsink, which cools better than the pathetic stock unit.

[legacy-mluckey]

Shane 1v, you problem is most likely RAM related. Run Memtest86 for a couple of hours to check for bad RAM. Asus boards are top notch, and rarely need patches to the 4-in-1 drivers. You may not want to use the newest AGP driver though, as it can make all older Via boards unstable. I use the AGP 420a driver on my KR7a-133, and all problems dissappeared.

[legacy-Pengy]

i just bought ut2003 about 4 days ago and its worked fine online and offline but now all of a sudden it crahses whenever i go to load a map ive spent about 4 hours trying to get it to work and absolutly nothing can anyone help me.:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[legacy-mluckey]

without system specs, and error message type, nobody can help you.

[legacy-runningboy01]

Ok...so I'm a bit tired and slightly confused. When I click on http://pcbuyersguide.com/hardware/motherboards/VIA-Problems.html i get a page about via problems that has a bunch of links on it. So I read over it, and then clicked on http://www.fileconnect.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2570 I go to TechConnect for a file called freshdownload?? Umm...Yeah...So anyways, here are my comp specs below, what exactly I am suppose to dl from where??


AMD XP 2600
120 GB Segate HDD 8MB Buffer
GeForceFX 5900
512 PC2700 DDR333 RAM
Sound Blaster Audigy Gamer
ASUS Mobo w/ Via Chipsets
AGP 8x
400 WATT power supply (500 Watt Dual Fan, quieted power supply on the way)
52X CD-RW
DVD ROM
Floppy
USB2.0

ANd that is about it....I've used both XP and 2000 and have had issues. So hell, I just mailed in my mobo, processor, and HDD for new ones, so I'll be getting them in a week. But in the meantime, I would like to know what exactly it is that I should/need to download. Thanks for help and time.

[legacy-mluckey]

Strangely enough, you may have to do nothing, other than load up the OS, game, and game updates.

It is not for ALL Via motherboards and so the misnomer confuses many people. This tweak (not patch) is rarely needed, and even then, rarely useful. It does not normally apply at all to Abit, Asus, Soyo, and the like. It affects PCI timing issues that are likely to be adjustable in the BIOS, or are already taken into account by the enthusiast board manufacturers. Many people that claim it worthwhile have other hardware issues, that if fixed, wouldn't need this tweak.

To be honest, with your setup, I don't see the need.

[legacy-tyger]

I just bought UT03 and can't play it! When Im in a map it crashes after 10sec. to a couple min. every time I play. The game freezes and I have to do a hard boot or just reboots for me. Im pretty sure my computer dosent like me anymore because I have restarted it like that 30 times today...
Here are my specs:
OS: XP Pro
Pro: AMD2500
Mobo: Ecs L7VTA with VIA 8235 Chipset
Ram: 256 ddr
VCard: ATI Radeon 9100 128mb 4xAGP
I think I have all the latest drivers for the mobo and the vidcard.
Any help would be great! Thanks!

[legacy-mluckey]

The newest ATI drivers are the 3.9 Catalyts I think. The best out there at the minute for the Radeon may well be the Omega Catalyst Drivers at OmegaCorner.


You are running the minimum amount of RAM to play UT2003, and 256 mb more RAM could fix just about any hitch that you have. Stay away from the bargain stuff, as you usually get far less than you pay for in that grade of hardware.

Depending on the Hard drive that you are using, it could be the weak link, especially since you are using it so much (you lack RAM), just to play the game. Once again, more aRAM takes the strain off of the Hard Drive, and might just fix everything.

[legacy-tekfreak]

<?int?Udebugger.General.Abbreviation?> Build UT2003_Build_[2002-09-19_17.26]

OS: Windows 2000 5.0 (Build: 2195)
CPU: AuthenticAMD PentiumPro-class processor @ 1095 MHz with 479MB RAM
Video: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX Integrated GPU (5216)

Failed to enter Entry: Can't find file for package 'TauntPack'

History: UGameEngine::Init <- InitEngine

that is the error i get everytime i try to run ut2k3 what can i do about that?

[legacy-dissonance]

here's what worked for me... I uninstalled the driver for the video card and installed the latest one from the web. Then I turned down the settings in the game. No luck. Then I installed that beta driver. still no luck. I'm not able to play past the third level in the single player mode. Same freeze, looping sound. I read to the end of this thread and saw that adjusting the memory settings in bios could help and tried it.... and it worked.

I made sure that those settings matched my memory amount on my video card as well... so basicaly I followed everything on this 7th page.


moral of the story; try turning down the memory settings in bios first.

=======================

amd athlon XP1700 (1.3ghz)
768MB of pc 133 SDRAMM
GeForce4 MX440 64MB (brand new today)
VIA K-7 motherboard
4x AGP

=======================

scratch all of that.... just crashed again.. same loop. different level.

is that fast write setting supposed to be on or off.. which way to effect performance less?

[legacy-mluckey]

Try installing the Via Hyperion 4.51 drivers while in safe mode. It has worked for many. It fixes a post-write issue in XP for some setups.

[legacy-dissonance]

okay.. that made my machine slightly more stable at the highest memory settings in bios... but after about a round and a half in Multiplayer... same loop.


should I try tuning down my memory settings? maybe look for a bios upgrade?

[legacy-mluckey]

Try the slowest memory settings available to you. If that works, and you can't live without the extra speed, then you have two choices. Buy faster RAM, or raise the RAM voltage to stabilize it. Remember, any timing above default on RAM, is the same as overclocking it, and can lead to instability. Unstable RAM can indeed cause UT2003 ro crash in lots of different ways.

Later,

Mark

[legacy-blue_gundam2002]

Has anyone found a fix that works yet?

[legacy-blue_gundam2002]

WTF. I just installed that patch from this thread and my second HDD is corupted thanks alot you little ***. There was 8 gb of family photos and video.

[legacy-mluckey]

I really feel for you.

I have never changed my opinion that it is not a good idea to use the "patch". It was a band-aid and nothing more. Look no further than the hundreds of people using Via chipsets without the patch, to find the "truth". If you have poor setup, then the patch (which by the way is NOT PCI 2.1 compliant) might work, might not. Any patch that is advertised as a big MAYBE is just not worth it.

If so many people can use Via chipsets at crazy speeds without this patch, then there is something else going on in these faulty systems.

[legacy-snip8r]

Can somebody help me please?

I tried installing that patch but it didnt work 4 me! Dont know if I needed it or not. Im running the following setup:

XP Pro
AMD Athlon 1 Ghz
Florida mboard (thats all I know!)
On board sound card (VIA '97)
320mb RAM
Nvidia TNT2 64mb or GForce 3 Ti 64mb (keep swapping between
the 2 as I thought the gfx
card may be the cause)

Ok, my problem is that my comp keeps rebooting wen I attempt 2 play dvds and wen I try and play UT2003. I dont get 2 see any part of the films but worst still I havnt played UT2003 yet! Gutted!

[legacy-[TMF]Death]

Tbh I'm very happy with this patch - I had the proper symptoms (unlike the people here without VIA chipsets, NVidia cards or WinXP lol), where the game plays for a short while, with some GFX anomolies, and then it finally either BSODs or freezes. I was really pissed off as this issue stopped me from playing 4-5 games, and I eventually found this patch, installed it, and bingo, my games worked again. I'm not really sure why people are dissing it.

"WTF. I just installed that patch from this thread and my second HDD is corupted thanks alot you little ***. There was 8 gb of family photos and video."
I really would like to follow this one up, but I don't think there's anything I can say. Has your HD actually been corrupted, or are you just a complete ****? :)

[legacy-mluckey]

Good post. The main symptom of the Via problem is just what you described...BSOD, freezes, and graphical strangeness.


Normally, GPF's are not the indicator of Via latency issues.

[legacy-Pezonator]

Great post!

I 've had no problems with XP yet, except with Stronghold. On this one mission, it always cuts out to the desktop, I just downloaded the patch, I'll see how it goes.

AMD 1.02
384 SD RAM
GF4 MX 440
VIA 133

[legacy-Lithium]

UT2004 Build UT2004_Build_[2004-02-10_03.01]

OS: Windows XP 5.1 (Build: 2600)
CPU: GenuineIntel Unknown processor @ 2194 MHz with 511MB RAM
Video: NVIDIA GeForce2 MX/MX 400 (HP) (1570)

General protection fault!

History: CheckTag <- LoadSummary <- ULinkerLoad::ULinkerLoad <- UGameEngine::Init <- InitEngine

this is the error message i get i installed the patch and the demo still wont work for me any help would be appreciated

[legacy-AndyMc]

I had Resets on Painkiller game so probs simular prob, I have Asus A7v8x Mobo DDR 333Mhz mem, Maxtor HD, 80 gig boot drive and Optorite DVDr and OEM DVD Reader. 1800xp athey standard and innovision FX5200. On Painkiller whcih i know aint UT2004 but possibly same prob I got resets, I installed latest Via and it all went but! performance was down from before but for others I know Performance ups some after via is installed. Anyway I put this here as someone will probs search oneday and come across this and have simular spec and same prob. Easiest things tend to get over looked first! ;)

[legacy-Supermano]

am still having same problum


compaq 1.1 authon pro
40.9 gb harddrive
258 mb ram
cable
128 mb G force FX 5600 ultra tv in and out.


plz help. it worked for like 2 days when i installed directx reinstalled before isntalling i removed the directx files it over rights.



werid i can run ut 2k4 no problum in direct x but games like ut 99 frezzes bf 1942 frezzes in middle of game.

help
:cry: :cry: :cry:

[legacy-SFanou]

I've a 2,8 GHz Athlon processor
with 768 Mb of memory
An Nvidia GeForceFX 5200 with the latest driver (56.64), Direct X 9
And a VIA motherboard...
I've had many crash problems with many games (Age of Mythology, Max Payne 2, Call of Duty)
I've installed the "Via 4 in 1" latest drivers but still had the same problem with UT 2004 (crash or return to the desktop:cry: )
The beta patch for via chipset didn't work for me, but i went in the BIOS menu and lowered the speed of my RAM memory (i went from 166 Mhz to 133 Mhz) and it seems to work good i played UT 2004 for 3 hours straight.:eek: :D
I hope this will help many people to enjoy their 3D games....
Bye

[legacy-AndyMc]

Ok I studied up on it and come to some conclusions for some people,

If you get lockups in some games then ask yourself this, is their a lot more geographic detail as in more polygons or more to a shape so a curve would look more curve.
If so then open up your pc and hold your hand above where your graphic card sits, if you have a normal upright case then this will be top card, if their is a lot of heat then your card's voltage maybe too high or its onboard fan if it has one is faulty.

Solutions:
You can buy a 8cm Fan or known as 80mm fan and put in the case above Graphics Card, some cases wont have a space for this fan in back of case or they will only fit a 6cm fan (60mm), if you can't do this an exhaust Fan under the gaphics card may help, either way the card needs to be blowing out the hot ait from the machine, most think blowing in hot air at that place is good but think about this, the back of the machine where air would be sucked from is most likely warmer air due to the back of our machines tend to be obscured, anyway best to face the fan to blow out the air as this gets rid of the hot air in your machine
Next you wan't to put a 8cm fan at the front of the case below where the Hard Drives and Floppy Drive is, this fan wants to be sucking in air, you can tell which way the fan spins and which way the air flows through thr fan because it has 2 arrows embossed on it. Now you want to tidy your wires in your machines, get some tape or wire ties and fold the IDE cables as tidy as you can and use tape or wire tie to tie the ide cables together, now do the same to the Power Cables, don't do too tight, leave some movement by where they plug in else u could damage the sockets they plug into but long as ther snug they shoudl be ok.

Now hopefully the cooler air will flow in through the front and be sucked past the graphics card out the back.
If your graphics card doesn't have a fan on it you could put one on it, an old cpu fan unsrewed from the heatsink will be better than nothing, long as you can get 2 screws in at diagonal to each other in 2 of the 4 holes then this should be enough to keep the fan in place.

Now you should have a better air circulating machine so hopefully the temp. of you cpu and graphics card should be down now and maintaining at a nice tempature. 35 to 49 degree's for normal running as in just switched on runnign windows should be what u want cpu temp. to be, over 49 aint good cos when u start playing a game it will rise and then will lockup.

Ok lockups are mostly caused by things running too fast getting too hot making errors in their data's so to help this you need to cool ya inside of ya machine better or slow things down.

Things to try in bios:
Advanced Chipset set to failsafe or bios defaults.
AGP port from x4 or x8 down to next setting below, x2 or x4
AGP Voltage, if you have the graphics card manual see what voltage the card runs at and set it manually in bios to the exact amount or if their is auto and its still locking on auto setting then set it a little below and tey that.
Slow down Normal Memory, don't run it at fastest settings.
Try latest and older VIA 4 in 1 drivers.
If your still getting probs after that Try a better CPU FAN.
IF your still getting probs, try a nice friends Gcard, if probs goes
away then take gacard back or complain to people who made it.
If changign the card don't fix things then try memory next, try a friends memory, but hold it on edges as just holding memory bad will or can kill it and cause probs like lockups and blue screens.
If all is still same then u need to try another cpu, I left this one to last because u really need a new heatsink/fan as they come these days with a peel off sticker leaving a solution underneath to make sure CPU makes 100% contact with Heatsink allow heatsink to despurse heat properly. But that really depends on what cpu u got, a duron under 1000mhz will prosb be ok using same heatsink/fan just keep in mind that it needs to be pretty flush to each other.
If this don't work then you probably need a better motherboard, I say better because changing to same motherboard in my opion due to past experience mostly leads to same probs, ASUS tend to be a safe bet, if your not worried about havign latest spec then asus a7v range should be reliable even with bad mem and graphics they still pretty reliable, I've had no experience with Nforce chipset only Via Chipset so I'd only be abel to recommend Via due to that. Also I'd recommend older A7v then newer one.

This is probs best way to sort your machine without paying out, paying out over and over. Also if u get CPU alarm going off all the time or machien shuts down then you want to check the settings in your bios for cpu tempature settings. If your happy with your CPU running at 60 degree's then set your alarm to go off at 65 and so on, also look for some software on the net to monitor tempature of cpu and graphic card's voltage and cpu voltage then u can run most games in a window by pressing ALT and TAB together then keep an eye on levels in monitoring software then maybe get an idea where and when its locking so if cpu temp goes mega high as it locks then u know its probs a new heatsink/fan you need.

Also one thing I never said to do was CPU voltage, if you know what yours normal running voltage is then set it to that or a little lower, if u over clock it needs to go a little higher but this could be causing the lockups :)

HAVE FUN!

[legacy-AndyMc]

For the person or others with problems with UT2004 and simular games try these things to help stop locking.

I'll go through in order as I would do.

Solutions:
Set UT2004 to OpenGL mode for better performance and less lockups and as many known now probs in game graphics.

Go to your UT2004 directory and then into the system directory in their, now look for UT2004.ini, if you can't see this goto Tools in top of that window, then Folder Options, then View, then select in list of items under Hidden files and folders, too show all files. now ok till your back to the ut2004/system folder.
Ok now you should see UT2004.ini, open it by double or single clicking it which ever option your windows is set too, now press CTRL and F or goto top of window and select EDIT then FIND, and type in this Engine.Engine, you will be taken to a line [Engine.Engine] which will contain lots of lines, we want the first few, which will look something like this >>

[Engine.Engine]
RenderDevice=D3DDrv.D3DRenderDevice
;RenderDevice=D3D9Drv.D3D9RenderDevice
;RenderDevice=Engine.NullRenderDevice

you need too put an ; before RenderDevice=D3DDrv.D3DRenderDevice

so now it should look liek this

[Engine.Engine]
;RenderDevice=D3DDrv.D3DRenderDevice
;RenderDevice=D3D9Drv.D3D9RenderDevice
;RenderDevice=Engine.NullRenderDevice

no under [Engine.Engine] line put this
OpenGLDrv.OpenGLRenderDevice

so it shoudl now look like this:

[Engine.Engine]
OpenGLDrv.OpenGLRenderDevice
;RenderDevice=D3DDrv.D3DRenderDevice
;RenderDevice=D3D9Drv.D3D9RenderDevice
;RenderDevice=Engine.NullRenderDevice

now save the file and you UT2004 will run great :)
You can increase your Frames Per Second by going to Display in control panel or right click decktop and select Properties then to Settings then too Advanced then GeForce which will be followed by name of your card assuming you have geforce which is why your reading this, :) then Select in the list which will appear if you have latest drivers or if not select Additional Properties first then Select as I said in the list OpenGL Settings, then Vertical Synch you want to set that as Off by Default or whci I do is Always Off. This can take away the gleam of a game, the shiny look but it will give you loads more Frames Per Sec and not Judder and Shudder at Cruicial Modents as much or at all.

Your Done! :)

HAVE FUN!

[legacy-zu_zbt]

I did what you said about changing the .ini file, but i got this error.

UT2004 Build UT2004_Build_[2004-03-03_02.42]

OS: Windows XP 5.1 (Build: 2600)
CPU: GenuineIntel Unknown processor @ 2596 MHz with 1278MB RAM
Video: No Video

Can't find 'ini:Engine.Engine.RenderDevice' in configuration file

History: UObject::SafeLoadError <- UObject::StaticLoadClass <- UGameEngine::Init <- InitEngine

[legacy-AndyMc]

Post first 20 lines of ya UT2004.ini file, have to go womans in car shouting for me to hurry! :)

[legacy-TECHBOTA]

I did what you said about changing the .ini file, but i got this error.

Im thinking you didnt remove the semi colon infront of

OpenGLDrv.OpenGLRenderDevice

Notice how it doent have the semi colon

OpenGLDrv.OpenGLRenderDevice
;RenderDevice=D3DDrv.D3DRenderDevice
;RenderDevice=D3D9Drv.D3D9RenderDevice
;RenderDevice=Engine.NullRenderDevice


Dont worry though (you cant screw it up) if you get lost just delete the ut2004.ini and restart the game it will rewrite you a new one set at all the default settings.

[legacy-Excalibur17]

WHY DOESNT THE LINK WORK? I have had the problems ever since i got it and i cant get to the gd link.. My only answer taken away cause something wont let me get there... *sigh*

[legacy-zeep]

Can someone repost that 'patch' ?
The link in 1st post doesnt work anymore and i would like to give it a try.

Thanks

[legacy-gavjof]

Thanks for those of you who are still helping others solve their problems. There's been lots of good advice posted here by others.
For those of you who are asking where they can find the files go here:

Readme.txt (http://www.gavjof.com/assets/Readme.txt)

Test_driver1.zip (http://www.gavjof.com/assets/Test_driver1.zip)

Again, this worked for our two via kt133 chipsets. We had two machines which wouldn't play several new games at all. After a backup we'd decided it was worth a go.
Sorry you lost data but come on it actually says
This is a BETA patch only - NOT an official release.

Note this was a long time ago and there wasn't supposed to be a problem on the newer boards, so before using it do some checking.